Leontiskos

Logic is not just a stipulative game, like chess. The analogy doesn't work. And as I said, if you embrace logical pluralism then it doesn't matter how...

The first sentence seems to rely on peer pressure for bindingness; the third sentence seems to rely on the idea that the consensus of a large enough s...

Okay, interesting. Okay. Okay, in my last I set out different senses of such desires. Are you saying they are a sort of retrospective motive for an ac...

When I was a kid we squealed when we caught sight of chives, because in America we know that green things are healthy and healthy things taste bad. So...

Okay. Have you given examples? I searched for "wants to be" on the first five pages on the thread and didn't find any occurrences. But you aren't appe...

Right, and the OP itself is clear that beliefs are one kind of stance (P2). My point to @"Moliere" earlier was that cognitive feelings of the sort he ...

Yes, good. --- Yes, I agree. Good post. Not self-evident, but immediate. If knowledge (scientia) is truly possible via logical syllogism, then the “at...

Okay, but the joke sidestepped the question. Are there advances in logic? Do these advances include advances in quantification? Once we begin to under...

If we are thinking about the intractable "metametaphysical" disputes that you seem to have in mind, then suppose someone calls an area a Gorp and anot...

I am saying that to claim that a dispute over must be either conceptual or terminological is to ignore the possibility that it might be substantial, a...

Nah, and it's hard to believe that you are even trying to interpret me correctly. The post is <here>. I was obviously using the example of 2+2=4 becau...

'Never said it was. :roll:

Yeah, sorry about that. If I do end up getting away I wanted to leave some wood on the fire. Right, I am calling that second-order equivocation. As I ...

The first part of my response can be found here: The point here is that whatever it is that establishes the hierarchy, it isn't emotion. Emotion does ...

I am seeing a bad argument against QV being made in the thread: <Quantifiers are not subject to second-order equivocation; therefore QV fails>. The pr...

There is never a shortage of irony in these parts: : "Logic gives us a variety of ways in which we might talk about how things are. It does not commit...

Okay, I see. You are proposing a kind of moral subjectivism derived from (attenuated) moral skepticism. "Because moral truth is not knowable we just h...

Thanks - I will come back to the rest of your post but let me speak to this before signing off for the night: I don't think the a priori guarantee tha...

Logic is the view from nowhere? Would you say that it is possible for advances in logic to take place?

Well I tend to agree, but you are the one claiming that feelings are truth-makers for moral propositions. :wink: I don't really know what a sentence l...

At this point I disagree. Let me continue to class your variety of subjectivism as feeling-subjectivism (or emotion-subjectivism). Now if the emotion-...

I think that tracks what I said in the edit <here>. In the quote you gave I was admittedly using "emotivist" in a looser sense to capture the family o...

Okay, I thought you were classing your form of feeling-subjectivism as a variety of cognitivism. Regardless, the point is that P1 is not restricted to...

The same sort of inconsistency would arise as follows:

Yes you did: And that is exactly why Ross is distinguishing (1) from (2): Torturing babies is wrong I believe torturing babies is wrong The point is t...

You literally claimed that one is shorthand for the other. :roll:

- Are you conceding that (1) and (2) are different? Or are you ignoring your mistake and running to try a new argument?

"Torturing babies is wrong" "I believe (1)" As the thread has taken some pains to indicate, (1) and (2) are not the same thing. (1) is not shorthand f...

Leontiskos: The activity of ethical reasoning is X; the subjectivist is not doing X; therefore the subjectivist is not engaged in ethics. Fooloso: Pro...

I don't hold that reason and emotion map to the objective and the subjective. One way to access Plato's point is to note that an agent can marshal and...

If you read the paper I don't think it is giving sound arguments for its claims, particularly in the section quoted. It is trading in "substantial inf...

By my lights if the meaning of the existential quantifier varies in different logical systems then a basic premise of QV succeeds. fdrake is the king ...

- Aquinas' article on this topic is sort of fun to look at: The quote from Augustine in the sed contra is actually very interesting as far as Thomisti...

Fair enough, although I think subjectivism easily falls into all of these ruts. I think it's mistaken but not necessarily inconsistent. I would want t...

- If you want to start a thread on abortion or the epistemology of moral obligation or intractable disagreement then you should go do that; I'm not bi...

I don't know that you deviated from cognitivism. You spoke of "a cognitive expression of feeling," which is a bit opaque but still prima facie cogniti...

I would say that natural language always takes precedence over artificial languages which derive from natural language, and that trying to grant an ar...

Sure. :up: Okay, I understand. I tend to follow Aristotle and Aquinas, and for them the intellect or the reason deals with form (as opposed to matter)...

- As long as it is meant to binding then it fulfills the necessary condition I set out—a necessary condition which subjectivism and emotivism do not m...

According to Wikipedia ethical subjectivism is cognitive-propositional, and I have found this to be the case among self-professed subjectivists. I don...

I see little evidence for such a claim. As a theist I agree that existence is good, but there are non-theological forms of ethics. Those who take exis...

I was addressing the topic as well, and so your attempt to address my post without addressing the topic would be difficult. If quantification and/or e...

Why would moral theories be required to answer this question? I think most moral theories simply do not answer the question at all.

- Okay good, it sounds like we are on the same page, or at least the same chapter. I may be reading between the lines of the OP, but here is what I se...

I would say that the logic will inevitably be applied to real things, at which point the logical domain must grapple with mapping itself to an existen...

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I don't see any argument being presented for why this example must be a matter of domain and not quantification, and if this is right then you are beg...

So if we look at these two propositions: I would say that the veracity of (2) is relative to my belief regarding the existence of aliens, and the vera...

:up: Fair enough. I will say that an attentive reader of P1 would have been able to understand C1, because P1 is clear about the self-same identity of...

See: More simply: (2) is a proposition about a belief about proposition (1). (2) is not a proposition about a belief about proposition (2). You and Mi...