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Many more are under the impression that there are no good historical or theological reasons to hold that Mormons are not Christians. I hope your post ...

I put you on ignore for reasons that have been made manifest, but I can write another post. My response will help show why you are on ignore. It seems...

It doesn't concern me a great deal exactly what Wittgenstein or Austin held. The OP is an inquiry into the question of whether The Contrast Theory of ...

That is a central question of the OP, and in the second half of the OP cherryorchard gestures towards a few of Gellner's objections to try to get the ...

Bringing in Aquinas: Freddoso's alternative translation: Perhaps Kimhi recognizes this, but the idea is that to recognize the notion of the true requi...

You are reading Gellner backwards. He is not saying that the Contrast Theory of Meaning defeats Wittgenstein and Austin. He is saying that something l...

They have all been addressed. Pain isn't suffering? This is ad hoc, and it brings with it more problems: - Again, completely irrelevant: - Again, ther...

I see the consequentialist antinatalist rationale as something like this: 1. If we polled everyone on their deathbed, X% would wish they had never bee...

Okay, good. :up: At minimum what we would say is that to convey an understanding to another, there must be a genus and a specific difference. Examples...

Yes, this captures it well. It's not an indirect seeing of color; it's an inability to see beyond percepts.

Okay, thanks for the recommendation. I will consider it. Thanks for the correction. It resolves the question I had after skimming that passage, as I h...

The blinding hypocrisy in your last two posts here is a bit much.

- Yes, and this is a good demonstration of how the propositions, assertions, and knowledge of intellectual agents are not ontologically neutral, even ...

That makes sense. Here is an example where Aquinas is considering the question of whether the impression is related to the intellect as that which is ...

This is closely related to and in another thread: When Michael says that colors are percepts or that we only ever see percepts and never colors, he is...

Yes, it's a good point, and we've seen it manifest often enough on these forums. For example: --- - :up:

- :up: Is it possible to imagine any other kind of machine? For me this all goes back to Aristotle's idea that a definition or understanding requires ...

Peeking at Kimhi's book at the library, this is very close to the same idea: In a recent thread I was trying to get people to consider the difference ...

Classically we say that the infinite God can be known by way of analogy, eminence, and negation. Or as Aquinas says, "but we know God from creatures a...

I would say that because Christianity is unfashionable at the moment, anyone can make terribly fallacious arguments against Christianity or Christians...

Do you think it is unreasonable to determine that the majority of people would rather had never been born?

Apokrisis' statistic already included such folks. It was baked in. The consequentialist antinatalist apparently thinks that if we polled everyone on t...

What are you talking about? The reductio objection has nothing at all to do with a threshold, and that is the problem. For Benatar's argument even a p...

Nah. Note, for example, that the reductio objection that we have been considering recently simply has no force at all against Amadeus' position. Amade...

- Good stuff. These are very similar to the arguments I had considered putting forward were Michael less intransigent. It is uncanny how close this so...

Okay, interesting. I do see this as a more conservative version of antinatalism than schopenhauer1 holds. And I see this as substantially different fr...

Intuitively, the reason I doubt this is because it seems that anyone involved in the analysis of arguments will need to wield truth and falsity as pre...

Okay, so are you saying that a pinprick (or small amount) of suffering would not suffice for antinatalism? There must be more suffering before the arg...

You haven't. Getting answers out of you is like pulling teeth. It literally took three months to get a real answer to my reductio, and that was the si...

I suppose I would pay your attempted insults more mind if I thought you had any pull or intelligence. Self-knowledge is at an all-time low, here. In f...

@"schopenhauer1" seems to assume that "other considerations" could only be positive experiences, which I was not assuming. That said, I don't really u...

Who is making this consideration? Certainly not me, as I explained above. I would say that it is also undisputed that in the pinprick world there will...

This would be a neat argument for why colors and percepts are not the same thing. The percept of the ball changed, but its color stayed the same.

Ah, okay, I see what you are saying. The question then is this: Why does the suffering of the pinprick do nothing to tip the scale? I see two possible...

Basically, yes. This is a bit different, as the latter possesses a conceptual existence which the former surpasses by asserting a super-conceptual exi...

Sowing seeds has an inferential purpose. If someone claims that they have said something on a philosophy forum for no reason at all, I would suggest t...

Yes, and I don't grant the others that this is a uniquely or idiosyncratically Witgenstenian truth. - - Thanks. You as well.

I see the first as the only real argument. Okay, and I assessed this argument <here>. Put differently, "If we omit the pinprick from (1) then (3) does...

Yes, and because of this the "balancing suffering with other considerations" evaporates into thin air and you are placed into the same quandary where ...

I can't remember who I have all spoken to about antinatalism on this forum (and therefore who has shaped my understanding of it), but I can say that s...

So you have at last provided a shadow of a counter-argument. You are effectively claiming that an equivocation is occurring such that the "pinprick of...

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? The Christian who says that a Mormon is not a Christian is not saying that the person is excluded fr...

Do you truly not recognize that you are making an argument here? That you are attempting to get the interlocutor to infer a conclusion?

Okay, fair enough. This is something we should revisit at a later date, preferably in a more apt thread.

So then what were you doing with it? Is this supposed to be another example of saying something with no rhyme or reason? Everyone who holds things bel...

"The term 'Christian' has often been disputed; therefore it is not possible or permissible to exclude the LDS from Christianity." That's an argument, ...

No you haven't. You haven't answered <the most recent post> on the so-called "stabbing counterargument." You just pointed to Benatar's book hopefully ...

No, your thesis is that Christians who believe in God's existence do not necessarily affirm that it is true that God exists. Given that you aren't hon...

So you were just pointing something out for no reason and with no point or purpose or argument? This is highly unlikely.

Okay, thanks for that. The two arguments come together insofar as masters/rulers and slaves/servants are two sides of the same coin. If one is fit to ...