Right... Maybe Kimhi would agree when I claim that it is strange to talk about non-intentional sentences. Supposing that assertion is one form of inte...
Hmm, I'm not sure if I like the way you phrased this, but I see what you are saying. Something like, "The author pretends to be telling a non-fiction ...
That seems reasonable. Granted, I am a little bit surprised that Kimhi is so fond of the early Wittgenstein. I don't think a picture is a fact, and so...
I finished the Scholastic portion of Novak's paper, and I think I agree with you. It gets complicated, but I would essentially say that we can truly s...
It is an Abbot & Costello routine. You've been given my testimony, Srap's testimony, Kimhi's testimony, and the testimony of Frege himself, but you st...
It can only occur once for an expression, but the question is whether a modus ponens is a single expression. What you said earlier simply does not hol...
This is close, but it obscures the fact that "Berlin" correlates to "2+2" (or "4") and "Berlin is a city" correlates to "2+2=4." The latter two have t...
That seems right to me. Okay, and I agree that this seems accurate. That seems to be what Kimhi is saying: So that we then have: So for Kimhi it is mo...
An account of what? First you say, "unless these philosophers explain WHY thought MUST reflect reality..." And then you go on to speak about "accounts...
Isn't it self-evident that if logic is to be meaningful then there must be some relation between thought and reality? In any case, the context here is...
I would say that this is the most relevant part of Boynton's review for this thread: As I said above, I don't see Frege saying that Pa cannot display ...
Interestingly, for Aristotle democracy is inherently unstable, especially in the direction of populism. So is a democracy that is safeguarded from "th...
It's more about intention than words. If you say "Raining," is your utterance necessarily either an assertion or a non-assertion? Or is there somethin...
Everything I said in my last post applies exactly the same here, as "Berlin" is no more a complete sentence than, "The grass in my backyard." See espe...
- Yes, good. You have this exactly backwards, and Rombout goes into it in detail. Frege writes the first and Russell ends up with the second. See also...
The problem is that "misinformation" and "disinformation" are nonsense terms. What are they supposed to mean? Lots of folks around here can't handle P...
This seems right. Kimhi often mentions the problem of referring to non-existents. What he doesn't seem to recognize is that Frege inoculates himself a...
For Russell and Frege, logic trumps natural language, and is not "logicalese." This is very clear in Novak. Frege does not renege on his opposition to...
This is what and I were talking about earlier, namely the way that a declarative sentence has an inherent assertoric force even before it is asserted....
A lot of this seems to revolve around the question of whether a modus ponens is conceived as tautological. For Rombout I want to say that Frege says n...
I'm not convinced that we have to choose, and Rombout's discussion of performative language gets at this starting on page 38. In fact I tend to wonder...
Rombout's section on Kant (2.2.2) seems very related to this issue. Instead of trying to comment further I will await your thread (although I will say...
One way to phrase the problem is as follows: It's tricky to switch paradigms, but in Wittgenstein's paradigm the problem is that Frege has "two phases...
This is excellent, and it has everything to do with the OP. :up: See Rombout: That entire section in Rombout's paper discusses this issue, which seems...
@"J" So I finished reading Rombout’s thesis, “Frege, Russell and Wittgenstein on the Judgment Stroke” (but I did skip the section on Kant). English is...
Good post, . I have a copy of Kimhi’s book on loan and I tried to put it down given the constraints that J laid out in the OP. Of course I picked it u...
The thread has flaws. I freely admit it. But I still think it is a good thread, precisely because it does not easily fit our preconceived categories a...
Yes, that's right. But it seems clear enough to me that the assertoric nature of KG is different from the assertoric nature of FG. That is where I thi...
Banno is clearly incorrect: The assertoric force of Frege's judgment-stroke is one kind of illocutionary force. Therefore Frege is clearly thinking "i...
Behind that distinction is the claim that asserting something and affirming a sentence are two different things. But what else does it mean to affirm ...
Would it be better placed in the thread that generated this one? Or else the Quantifier Variance thread? Many of the broader issues that people want t...
There are a number of posts I need to respond to, but at this point I am inclined to think that we have been on the wrong scent all along. I am starti...
- I may not be telling you anything you do not already know, but Frege's distinction between assertoric force and predicate is very different from sen...
- I think this is a good general account of Kimhi's book, but not a good account of his critique of Frege (because Frege also thinks judgment is inter...
- At this point I am guessing that Kimhi is an Aristotelian Wittgenstenian. As I said elsewhere, his index has about 50% more references to Wittgenste...
Kimhi speaks about motives which he shares: Kimhi's index contains 50% more references to Wittgenstein than Aristotle, both of whom are surpassed only...
Right: --- I think I am starting to get a sense for the sub-thesis of Kimhi's that the OP is talking about. He is saying something like this: "Frege s...
What you say here is too simplistic, but there is something to it. In section 2.1.3 of, "Frege, Russell and Wittgenstein on the Judgment Stroke," Romb...
Okay, good. I want to have a proper look at it today, but I think it may be helpful to bring the question into sharper relief first. @"Srap Tasmaner" ...
Useful. :up: Yes, that is a good way to put the point I was trying to make. Note also how philosophical anthropology is implicated, namely the questio...
Yes, I feel this as well. Well yes, but it is many more than the 'monists' like Kimhi who do not see a difference here. The difference presupposes a c...
I have been meaning to look into this same thing. I plan to look through this Master's thesis, "Frege, Russell and Wittgenstein on the Judgment Stroke...
I don't think so, as that wouldn't fit Aristotle, but I suppose antinatalism could be said to be the most uninteresting philosophy along these sorts o...
Russell is stultifying. But is he uninteresting? I agree with that, but I don't find him uninteresting in an absolute sense. I can't think of philosop...
The petri dish or sandbox metaphor is a bit different. I think this is related to @"J"'s idea that quantification and claims of existence are two quit...
- Let's do a bit of hair-splitting. Something like that: "A sentence being asserted (as true)." I avoided the indicative mood language because a state...
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