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:up: And that is why these threads are tedious. "Catholics hold that the Trinity is illogical and I am not willing to offer any evidence for this impl...

- I'll take that as a "no."

Your quote does not state that the Trinity is illogical. Care to try again? Care to try to present evidence for your thesis that the Catholic Church h...

And you consistently refuse to present any evidence whatsoever for your claim that the Catholic Church holds the Trinity to be illogical. This sort of...

You are falsely representing the Catholic Church by claiming that the Catholic Church holds that the doctrine of the Trinity is illogical. You have be...

Yep. :up: I know you got into some of this earlier, but there are different schools on these sorts of questions even within Catholicism. Nevertheless,...

No, I think the people who never miss a beat when it comes to an anti-religious topic are deeply invested in attacking religion. The statistics tell t...

I believe that what is logically impossible is impossible. But do you see how implausible it is for deflationists of the kind found on TPF to try to e...

Called? You say that we cannot discuss the Creed without bringing in Thomism. This is obviously false, but ignoring that for a moment, you haven't the...

On that thesis it would be very difficult to understand how Christians got along without Thomism for 900 years. Or how non-Thomists got along even aft...

Sure, but did you catch the other half, where viewing "God" and "hypostasis" as belonging to the same univocal genus is also erroneous? Is it really s...

This would be a great take if not for the fact that the Nicene Creed predates Thomism by some 900 years. When religious topics are broached on TPF the...

I already told you that the Nicene Creed would be the ideal source. If you want to use the Athanasian Creed, on which the diagram is based, be my gues...

What's odd is that you think the crazy shit you're whipping up is a straightforward account of Catholic doctrine, but this has already been pointed ou...

"Tell me what you believe so I can shit all over it." The correct answer to this request is, "Fuck off," or some variant thereof. If you guys want to ...

Frank, no one takes you to be an authority when it comes to Christianity, much less Trinitarian theology. Sorry to break it to you. You'll have to do ...

frank said so. How could it not be true?

That's a pretty idiotic misrepresentation of Klima, but anyone who has looked at the thread is already aware of this. I guess if you don't know how to...

Nice. I might be interested in that reading group. I will download the chapter and give it a look. :up:

We all know better. Look in the mirror. You will see a man who is too lazy to take the time to understand what Christians believe, and is at the same ...

For the third time: So if you want to attack Catholicism then you should be objecting to something specifically Catholic, such as the Council of Nicea...

Indeed. :up: You have to know when someone is genuinely trying to understand something, and when they're not.

No, dumbass. If you are going to criticize Trinitarian doctrine, then the onus is on you to say where your concept of Trinitarian doctrine is coming f...

Your whole approach requires hyper-focusing on a random internet diagram and ignoring everything else. You clearly have no interest in looking at actu...

No need to restate what you have already failed to answer. If you want to attack the doctrine of the Trinity, you have to tell us what you are attacki...

So you will attack a diagram but you won't look at quotes from religious sources? :yikes:

I provided you with actual texts from Aquinas to help you with your so-called refutation of Thomist Trinitarianism. I was hoping that would get us out...

Serious work, that. An attack on a diagram. :roll:

You, @"frank", and @"Banno" are surely proof of this. "If you don't have a quote from Peirce saying its true then it doesn't count!" How infantile is ...

Okay, understood. Sure, except that the case in question is not a matter of possession. It is not a demon inhabiting a non-demonic inhabitant, but rat...

I would say that the OP was a clear rallying cry for bad faith anti-religionists to engage in insults and trolling. The pre-redacted OP itself was jus...

:up: Interesting. Thanks for your thoughts on this. :up:

Yeah. :up: Isn't this the same thing that always happens with @"Banno"? He takes his parochial, historically ignorant version of Analytic Philosophy a...

Great. :up:

:up: :fire:

Coming back to the OP: If wokeness (or its conditions) are irreversible, then is it reasonable to oppose it? Because my approach here is something lik...

Fair enough. This is a rather pervasive cultural issue. An acute example of it was the conversation between Sam Harris and Ezra Klein that I have refe...

Aren't there multiple studies showing that, for example, Asians have a higher mean IQ than other races? Wikipedia catalogues the general issue of race...

I am not saying that the discussion about reason and affect is tangential. I am saying that the broader conversation about intractable disagreement is...

So I think you're contradicting yourself here, given that you're establishing a created or preset standard, namely, "One should not dictate what is ra...

Yes, and along the same lines Wittgenstein never seemed to recognize that others would approach him in the way that he approached these other philosop...

There are no hard divides in these categories. The ideological sphere and the political sphere are both part of the moral sphere, and the ideological ...

I see your approach and @"Antony Nickles"' as quite distinct for the relevance of this thread (despite some overlap in general). But there is a point ...

Yes, and I think that lacuna is built in: --- I would say the problem is that @"Antony Nickles" would reject your verb "steer." He somehow doesn't und...

So do you know what you mean by "fixed standards" vs. "any standards"? Can you provide an example of a non-fixed standard? I want you to say out loud ...

Sure: the woke belief that (biological) men and (biological) women should compete against one another within the same sport. I agree, but you are the ...

Yes, that's a very interesting point. :up: --- The "ad hoc" objection could be phrased this way, "You just dislike wokism. You have no real arguments ...

I think this is helpful in furthering the discussion. :up: We could certainly talk about the relation between reason and "affect," but I want to remai...

This is just so hard to read. I'm not sure what you are saying. Edit: Note too that so much of this can be simplified. An ad hoc assumption merely int...

Recall: Let's do another: 1c. Either some art is less art than other art, or else all art is equally art. You can't have it both ways. You can't say t...