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Right. So to take a group like the Stoics, the Logos is seen to order all things without remainder, but what is at stake is not an ontological thesis....

Okay, well thanks for that. Logos was a philosophical term of art, but it was also a common linguistic term. Both are probably at play in John's prolo...

Yep, and it's the same with predications of the Son. His nature/ousia is God/divine. But he is not "the god," where "the god" means something like the...

Nah, @"Fire Ologist" is right on the money. Here is the Catechism: The inner life of others is also opaque to us unless they "let us in," and once the...

I think it only means that not everyone studies Trinitarian theology. The Mormon view is clearer. But it isn't representative of Christianity. Well yo...

This is actually a really excellent question and objection, given that my claim is that "The Son is God" is never used in early Christianity. In the G...

Tell me what you mean by 'is' and what you mean by 'God' and I will tell you whether the proposition "Jesus is God" is true. Curiously, when I typed "...

- You literally don't know what you mean when you say, "Jesus is God." You literally have no idea what you mean by "is," and now you are trying to lev...

This is just more ignorance of history, in this case syllogistic logic. Syllogistic logic is predicative. For example, "Socrates is human," is not the...

- Yes, the analogy limps insofar as it utilizes the idea of separable parts. Yet my point is that an age which accepts (2) will surely reject the Trin...

One of the great weaknesses of Analytic Philosophy is that it doesn't recognize that logic follows upon being, and that every approach to logic presup...

- Oh, dear. :sweat:

Okay... I've pointed out the problems with appealing to Mormonism on Christian questions. Banno is quoting from SEP and is mistakenly transferring its...

I was looking through your posts to try to understand where you are coming from. Maybe part of the problem here is that you are depending on Mormon so...

Well we can look at your argument too, which I would say comes down to this: - You are giving a dilemma: 4. Either "is God" means something like "is a...

Again, @"Banno"'s argument is invalid, and obviously so: 1. Son = God(head) 2. Spirit = God(head) 3. Therefore, Son = Spirit {transitive property of i...

@"Hanover", @"Baden" - isn't this literally against the rules of TPF? An entire post of AI? Further, Banno is constantly telling us that "I win becaus...

This is a very strange interpretation given that I said just the opposite: I don't see theology as private, even if we are prescinding from the idea t...

- Wow, and in 1993. :lol:

These sorts of puzzles arise within Christianity because Christianity is based on natural language, and wherever there is natural language the strict ...

@"Fire Ologist" - This ^^^ is a good example wherein one shows that a charge of contradiction is false. An argument that the Trinity is unreasonable i...

So first, replace every instance of "you" with "the diagram." Second, revisit my initial claim that your focus on the diagram is a dead end. Your inva...

Then you've done what I said: And also as I said: Your proposition "Jesus = God(head)" is false, given that there is not equality between things of di...

No, that's incorrect. The presupposition when using the transitive property of identity is that each of the relata are the same kind of thing (i.e. be...

Again: The transitive property of identity requires that the three relata belong to the same genus. Yet a hypostasis and an ousia obviously do not bel...

Good stuff. :up: For example, for Aquinas the doctrine of the Trinity is an article of faith, and what this means is that faith is a necessary conditi...

:up: Right. Yeah, and I think a lot of it has to do with a kind of anthropocentrism, where one sees themselves and their own age as the center of the ...

I hope I haven't said that the Trinity is non-mysterious? Well the first Christians were all Jews. Beyond that, there are different lines of Jewish ex...

- Yeah, I think you're making a really salient point. :up:

I don't know where his either/or is coming from. Right, and a pluralism thesis is different from an incomprehensibility thesis, although that parable ...

Wouldn't it also mean that the believer is omniscient, lacking no knowledge about identities?

Yes, that's something of the idea. :up: This is often captured by the idea that what is infinite (God) cannot be comprehended or encompassed by what i...

- Interesting points. :up:

One can understand what that encyclopedia means by 'analogy' by consulting its entry on analogy. It's different from how we now use that term colloqui...

Do you find it odd that you didn't bother to reference the New Testament? One cannot make arguments against the New Testament without consulting the N...

I think Count already addressed this: What's curious here is that many Analytics would agree with this claim: Another way to say this is to say that n...

I disagree with that, but I don't know how far afield this would take us. Analysis can be worship, but it need not be. I suppose much of it depends on...

I don't see why it can't be recast as a question of what follows from belief. For example, you could avoid this by rewriting b. "Suppose Lois believes...

:up: Yes. Even recently you've shown me a lot of moves I suspected Jewish theology would make but had never concretely witnessed before.

Right. I think there are cases where religious discussion can be quite fruitful: Interreligious dialogue between contrasting religious approaches Resp...

Because it was already a stable holding long before cryptocurrencies arrived. Therefore the gross investment in gold is presumably much higher than cr...

Coming back to this but trying to shorten the length a bit... I think this is the central point. If there are no good arguments that causality is phys...

This is the point I have been trying to make from the start. If the two interlocutors do not share an overarching norm then one's critique of the othe...

We have yet another equivocation from Banno. What he did was give a strange self-referential account of why it looks like his activity in the thread i...

In each case you are dealing with mental or intentional objects, and therein lies the confusion. Things like belief or the number of letters that any ...

No, this sort of ad hominem psychologizing and self-portrayal that you often resort to reveals how desperate you are to try to spin a narrative that h...

:100: :up: These uses of "=" have caused confusion, not clarity.

- :up: The other thing we have to reckon with is the question of how much any given explanation or account is meant to bear. The diagram that Banno ha...

I think what has happened at points throughout the thread is an accumulation of several minor equivocations. For example, someone who cannot even read...

:lol: This is quite the thread.