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we do? https://images.app.goo.gl/cD15bqprQLBHiYek9
March 03, 2024 at 11:38
What about the other illusion i mentioned? The one that doesn't involve a physical change of light, and must only happen in the brain.
March 03, 2024 at 11:13
Ok well the scientific understanding of perception is very aware of the illusions I mentioned, so does that mean science is inherently self refuting?
March 03, 2024 at 07:17
For me, it's really simple: when I was a little kid, I thought I opened my eyes and there was just -the world-. Later, I learned that I open my eyes a...
March 02, 2024 at 14:47
Sure you can compare them. Not only can you, you SHOULD. You should be able to clearly articulate why confidence in one thing is more reasonable than ...
March 02, 2024 at 13:05
I don't think it's some sneaky rhetorical tool. The dictionary defines it in ways that have nothing to do with gods. Do you think your narrow use of t...
March 02, 2024 at 11:49
If someone says "I believe X", it makes sense to me to say "X is incoherent, so I'm gonna go with not-X". But in any case, indirect realism doesn't ne...
March 02, 2024 at 09:38
There might not be any coherent conception of directness. I don't understand why that would be a point against indirect realism, rather than direct re...
March 01, 2024 at 22:49
what kind of distortion are you talking about? For example I don't think it's necessarily the case that an indirect realist MUST agree with the distor...
March 01, 2024 at 22:36
I'm not seeing the logic of all the pieces here personally
March 01, 2024 at 22:30
And if you're okay with direct realists just assuming that they're perceiving the world as it is, you should be equally okay with indirect realists ju...
March 01, 2024 at 14:31
I don't see that direct realism really gives you absolute certainty either. A direct realist thinks they're directly perceiving the world as it is, an...
March 01, 2024 at 08:19
but what makes "swimming" an inherently biological activity, such that a machine mimicking it doesn't count as "swimming"?
February 28, 2024 at 18:29
Why is it invariably a no? Why is it inconceivable to imagine a machine that can swim pretty much like other swimming being swim? We already have mach...
February 28, 2024 at 17:49
Yes but the important question isn't "is it like that now?", the important question is, "Is that necessarily the case in principle?" Is it in principl...
February 28, 2024 at 13:29
Presenting someone with a correct definition will look like quibbling to a person who is using the word a different way. It's not like the AI describe...
February 28, 2024 at 10:39
There's a lot of philosophy about this, it's normally anti-materialists who insist that all materialists must consider consciousness epiphenomenal, ac...
February 28, 2024 at 10:16
Yeah, that's all true
February 28, 2024 at 07:48
I wouldn't know, I haven't made a single comment about textures this whole thread. I wouldn't suppose that representational or UI views of perceptual ...
February 28, 2024 at 07:47
Sure, and I think the model is definitely adequate. No disagreement from me there.
February 27, 2024 at 22:33
You took a quote of someone's, and changed their words, to say something about their beliefs. That's not a serious thing to do.
February 27, 2024 at 18:57
you clearly didn't come here to say something serious. Are you getting what you came for?
February 27, 2024 at 18:40
Looks like you've modified that quote, so... you're the only person saying something to the contrary.
February 27, 2024 at 18:31
Is anybody saying something to the contrary?
February 27, 2024 at 18:18
oh, I guess to me that's pretty much fundamentally what "faith" always (or almost always) means. Faith in your family and friends, but also religious ...
February 27, 2024 at 15:36
I'd even go a bit further than that. I haven't looked at most of the evidence for the scientific statements I believe. If you put in front of me most ...
February 27, 2024 at 15:14
A lot of people like to set science and religion apart as of they are direct enemies, and religion is based on faith and science has nothing to do wit...
February 27, 2024 at 14:51
At the very least, it's fairly easy to prove that *most philosophers* are realists about the world https://survey2020.philpeople.org/survey/results/al...
February 27, 2024 at 12:25
Just to clarify exactly which part of the Molyneux Problem page I'm referring to : I think that's super fucking interesting, because it goes against m...
February 27, 2024 at 11:43
I agree that it seems non arbitrary, but I was a little bit surprised to learn that blind people who later gain sight have literally no expectation of...
February 27, 2024 at 11:35
Yeah, I don't think the phrase "perceive the world as it actually is" is a meaningful sentence as well - perception is always inherently from a perspe...
February 27, 2024 at 11:04
Yeah, I see why you would. Some people are only having a discussion on the semantics of what it means to "see", and other people aren't, or at least a...
February 27, 2024 at 10:09
Talking about time travel as a realistic scientific possibility seems... far fetched to me. But I do love conversations about different models of time...
February 27, 2024 at 10:05
Ok, we don't have a whole lot to talk about then.
February 27, 2024 at 09:49
I think it's an important distinction. The experience I call "blue", the qualia if you will, doesn't have to be assigned to the things I assign it to....
February 27, 2024 at 09:31
That's a good question, but seems incredibly unlikely to me. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/we-all-experience-smells-differently-from-one-a...
February 27, 2024 at 09:16
Ah, let me rephrase. I meant that second part to not be referring to the entire process of smell, just the part of the process where you're consciousl...
February 27, 2024 at 09:12
No, I didn't say it bears no relation, it's certainly correlated to some subset of the actual chemicals in the air around you (a subset because you ob...
February 27, 2024 at 08:21
yeah, if anything smell seems more acutely to be experienced in a way that's entirely distinct from reality-as-it-is even than sight. Smell is ENTIREL...
February 27, 2024 at 07:53
I thought you were arguing for representationalism earlier.
February 27, 2024 at 07:48
Actually, I've thought about it a bit and I do have something to say about the semantics: I think it makes sense why semantically you would say "I see...
February 26, 2024 at 14:44
That just turns it into the semantic debate, which I don't have any comments on. I only disagree with direct realism to the extent that it says we see...
February 26, 2024 at 13:59
Isn't that exactly what indirect realists are claiming? That perception involves representation?
February 26, 2024 at 13:34
That's just what all versions on non skeptical realism have in common - direct and indirect realism are variations of that
February 26, 2024 at 13:32
Do you think indirect realists are incorrect regarding that reasoning? If so, why?
February 26, 2024 at 13:16
it's certainly more clearly and sensibly worded than what he did say, and was the first interpretation I would give to it, but the problem with how he...
February 26, 2024 at 12:49
I don't assume you're correct, I'm not assuming you have in fact cleared up what he's saying.
February 26, 2024 at 12:45
I don't know why he's assuming indirect realists want or demand direct realism to be true. I think this framing of the conversation has so far only se...
February 26, 2024 at 12:40
If by "literally green" you mean "literally the qualia green" then I can't say, you'd have to ask a direct realist. If they just mean "the outer shell...
February 26, 2024 at 11:55
I try to avoid that argument altogether. I really don't care to argue what someone means, or should mean, by "I see x". My position in this thread is ...
February 26, 2024 at 10:03