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Don't admit you're wrong then, just don't say it again because you know it's untrue.

I understand it perfectly well, it's just untrue.

You are very, very confused in this conversation. I'm not disputing that minds come from brains. I'm disputing "everyone knows minds come from brains"...

And you have something better that you're basing the "everyone" claim on? What better information than statistics is that? Please source the "everyone...

Beautiful cop out. You now have data to demonstrate unambiguously that not everyone thinks what you say "everyone knows", and instead of acknowledging...

https://survey2020.philpeople.org/survey/results/4874 It's not some tiny minority. Only 51-52% of professional philosophers are physicalists about the...

And I suppose you're defining "reasonable" as "people who agree with me", which makes it tautologically true, not meaningfully true. Everyone believes...

You just did explain it, and I understand your explanation - I fully agree with you about loosening on the definition of 'everyone' in colloquial spee...

but if you meant the majority of people, (a) you would have said that when I invited you to say what you meant, and you didn't say that, and (b) that ...

And you still can't just say "yes, not everyone knows or believes that". How easy would that be to say? You already know it's true.

Sure, let's ask : If someone says 'everyone knows the mind emerges from the brain', do you think that's true, and what do you think that claim means? ...

Right, experience itself - regardless of it's source, be it reality or hallucination or whoever is pulling the levers on the brain in the vat - is the...

I think that while all of those things are interesting questions, they have no bearing on the argument you made about ancient people. Ancient people n...

I don't see the distinction

The argument makes it sound like you haven't taken into account ancient people's ignorance. Sound is waves of compressed air. Ancient people currently...

I don't think he's saying that, I think he's taking the standard physicalist position, which is that human consciousness happens in human brains, whic...

It sounds like you think the difference between indirect and direct realists is just semantics. It sounds like the person you're replying to believes ...

Uh... yes, I clearly was inviting you, all the way back there, to tell me what you do mean. You refused to do that, for many many many posts - as if y...

That's been the question since all the way back here: Right? Lmao. "Everyone" means "everyone i came across in my reading and listening" lmao. That's ...

At this point in the conversation, the only thing that matters is what you mean. You said everyone knows the mind emerges from the brain. That's clear...

"every" is the opposite of vague. It's one of the most well-defined concepts in existence. If you don't mean the normal meaning, please let me know wh...

I'm not insisting anything, I'm asking you what you mean. Asking you what you mean is not an insistence, it's a question.

Yeah, I've read it, it doesn't contain the answer to what you mean by 'everyone'. If you don't want to communicate your thoughts, why bother learning ...

So you don't want to say what you mean. You said "everyone knows X". I said "not everyone knows X". Instead of saying "oh my mistake, you're right, no...

Why are you wasting your time telling me what it CAN mean, instead of what you DO mean? What an inefficient way to communicate. Just get to the point,...

Well, you've already admitted that "everyone" doesn't mean "everyone" when you say it, so that's a good start.

There's no reasonable interpretation of "everyone" where "everyone knows the mind emerges from the brain" is true. Not everyone in the world believes ...

This doesn't seem like a necessary conclusion to me. Do you think the majority of people who don't believe in free will, in reality, are "denying thei...

You don't think computationalists think consciousness emerges from the brain? But isn't... isn't that where the majority of computationalists think me...

it doesn't matter if you agree with them or think their ideas make sense, the point is *not everyone believes the thing you said everyone believes*.

no, I think they're talking about all consciousness, including human. People who believe in souls are of course another great example of people who do...

Some people are panpsychists who believe consciousness is fundamental rather than emergent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism Then there's t...

I think it is very much part of the central point of the op - you said everyone knows consciousness emerges from the brain, and if that were true, the...

no, it's even more unclear than before. I didn't write that they're connected, someone else wrote it, and then you agreed with it. Everythings entirel...

Then... why did you agree with it and say it was your point when Pez said it?

But that's not a point against me. Saying "the brain is connected to consciousness", which probably nearly everyone agrees with, is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT...

You're not familiar with Dualism? With the concept of souls?

The majority of philosophers, yes. The vast majority of scientists, yes. But possibly not the majority of posters here, probably not the majority of p...

I'm not referring to ancient people, I'm referring to people today, people in this forum even. Only a slight majority of professional philosophers are...

I certainly think that, but I don't think EVERYONE knows it. Many many many many people do not agree that the mind emerges from the brain.

Fully agreed, though there are people in this thread who have disagreed about smell, which I find... peculiar. Like, really? You don't think the sensa...

what are you on about?

I don't see this implied in the article you linked.

I don't really understand, sorry

If you can measure how parsimonious a model is, then it wouldn't matter much what a community thinks. I think in this case, it's probably provable (no...

Because when someone talks about something being distorted, it's *relative* to something else. In this case, it's generally taken as *relative to real...

This thread has been full of direct realists completely making up thoughts that indirect realists must have, but this is a great example in the opposi...

we know because we know that image isn't animated. You can print it on a piece of paper and have a visual experience of seeing it wooshing around, whi...

The fact that you see things that aren't there means... you aren't just seeing raw reality as it is. That's an oversimplistic view, given these types ...