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Do you think that if men and women, boys and girls, were all freely allowed to behave in "masculine" and "feminine" ways without any massively negativ...

I think it is

I agree with all of this. Maybe I should loosen up on "experience", and allow those words you said, like "raw experience" and "qualia" (some raw exper...

You don't think seeing red is correlated to any facts about the things you see red on? Because that's all "map" means here. It means the colours your ...

You seem all over the place now.

Most Christians (definitely not all, but most) would disagree with the statement you think everyone knows.

Ah, the good ol' head in the sand approach. The existence of Christians is groundless rumour or opinion. There are people on this forum who don't beli...

so do you agree or disagree with that text from me that you quoted? If you disagree, then what standard definition of "everyone" makes true the statem...

I think you're in the wrong thread

Futher to my previous post, if I want to use the word 'experience' to only refer to those raw things we have immediate access to, the qualia, then I w...

Many incompatiblist determinists would disagree with this on purely practical terms. If we imagine humans as decision-making machines in a determinist...

I have no idea what point you're tryinig to make with this. For me, it's quite simple: You and I both, at this point in time, know that not everyone a...

I think calling it "sensory experience" is too presumptive, as it assumes you're sensing something. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but like... imagine ...

These words are too abstract for me, an example might help.

I don't know, I'd have to figure out what sort of thing you might mean by that before I can answer.

Sure they do, or at least they CAN: an illusion can lead you to make a prediction, and your prediction can be *wrong*. I'm in a desert and I see an oa...

When I say "experience itself", yeah it's either synonymous with or at least close to phenomenal experience. It's the most immediate thing you're awar...

Your analogies are all about things that aren't *experience itself*. A TV isn't experience itself. A baseball game isn't experience itself. I think yo...

I'm thinking there are perhaps situations where you can rationally believe something based on your personal experience, and also accept that you can't...

that quote doesn't make sense unless you believe they don't reflect photons. I never said they didn't.

I don't think it was a twist, I quoted your words directly and I didn't have to twist them, they don't make sense to me as they are

You say it's not perceptible to our senses, And then say you saw it. I can't make heads or tails of these claims. They're all over the place

Well my example was from physics

how do ghosts, or the photons they reflect, know what you believe? Seems like your theory also requires telepathy

Contrary to popular opinion, I think science is very liberal with which hypotheses it entertains. What better example is there than quantum mechanics?...

If you have to find an explanation for a ghost you saw, that's fine, you still saw it. He's suggesting people who don't believe in ghosts can't see th...

It means there is a layer of abstraction involved, where multiple physically realizable states correspond to the same layer of abstraction. 2 very dif...

I suppose there's a small difference in analogy there, in that the mind-state has a sense of multiple-realizability in a way the chair does not. You m...

Is "your chair" and "all the atoms that make up your chair, in that exact arrangement" the same thing? Are brain states and mind states different thin...

The only times I've heard of things being visible depending on belief are fairies santa clause unicorns The thing that unites those things is, most ra...

I really have no idea what you're arguing for or against at this point. I'm just saying, if ghosts are visible, they ought to be visible to everyone r...

Wonderful hypothesis, sounds like it's available for evidence-gathering and scientific analysis. I'm pretty sure some people are sensitive to magnetic...

I don't have any reason to suppose that, if ghosts are real, and actually send visible photons to human eyes, that some humans eyes would be immune to...

You're assuming the joke was funny. But in all seriousness, this isn't necessarily a solid rebuttal of the idea that mental states emerge from brain s...

They never experience them BECAUSE they take their non existence for granted? That's... I mean, that's honestly pretty crazy. You think ghosts somehow...

Now, if you're a person who hasn't had ghostly experiences, and don't consider yourself a believer in ghosts, then ask yourself this: What experience ...

I think there's an interesting question about epistemology here. Imagine someone who has been trained to be rational, and has no superstitious bias wh...

I think "sense data" and "qualia" must just refer to different things in different contexts - though I feel like "qualia" is mostly stable in meaning....

In that case, allow me to go back here and change my reply to this quote: I don't think there is a distinction. But the quote you were quoting also wa...

You know what, I am. It looks like they're using sense data in a way that's synonymous with the experience, ie synonymous with qualia. My mistake

that's right, explaining it in "logical terms" from you didn't work, because your only definitions of "everyone" were either (a) not normal at all and...

How can anyone converse normally with you if you keep claiming that you're using everyone in a normal way, and are still refusing to lay out what that...

https://iep.utm.edu/qualia/#:~:text=As%20Lewis%20used%20the%20term,generally%20to%20properties%20of%20experience. As Lewis used the term, qualia were ...

thanks for the well wishes. Let me know if you can find a single other person here who agrees with your claim - it might be you who has lost the plot ...

That's a very interesting piece of information, but I think it's still the case that most people talking about qualia here are talking about the exper...

should be easy, it's just an ordinary definition of everyone, right? What ordinary definition is the claim true for?

Qualia is the experience. Data is the information that comes into our body, via eyes or nose or whatever. The data isn't the experience. The data can ...

What ordinary definition of 'everyone' is it true for?

You don't believe it. You know it to be false. You're just being dishonest.

I don't think thats the case. There's no ordinary definition of 'everyone' for which it's true.