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determined things can be reflective, I'm not sure you're getting that

I distinctly remember struggling with this for at least weeks, maybe longer, as a 4-5 year old. Knowing there was a difference, looking at my hands, t...

these don't seem at odds with each other to me. It can be simultaneously true that thoughts and behaviour are emergent from deterministic stuff, AND t...

except Steve. Fuck that guy

Don't know why I never thought about it this way. Well put

That some christians think what other christians think is blasphemy seems... normal, for religion. Sunnis think Shias are blasphemous too, big whoop.

I guess that's where we disagree. Almost all simple definitions of Christianity that weren't explicitly designed to exclude Mormons, don't exclude Mor...

You didn't answer what you quoted though.

Using this as a criteria for considering someone a Christian has one really bizarre effect: it means many, probably most, perhaps all early Christians...

No that's exactly what I'm saying Mormonism fits. Why don't you tell me what you think they said constitutes the essence of Christianity?

Almost all of these churches have very simple definitions for what counts as a Christian, and by the vast majority of those simple definitions, Mormon...

your original claim wasn't even about what a religious group believes. You used the word "nobody". We don't need to talk about your original claim any...

ah church leaders specifically. So you did mean something quite a bit different from the thing you said, thanks for clarifying. Yes as far as I can te...

so what do you mean?

if that's NOT the litmus test, then you don't mean the words you said. You must mean something else, something you didn't say.

That is decidedly untrue. All I have to do is find one non-mormon who thinks mormonism is a christian religion, and it's untrue. That's a pretty easy ...

I apologize for the "idiot" remark. The fact that people abuse these forums in that way is deeply obnoxious to me, but I of course ought not to say th...

Well I personally am sick of people treating philosophy forums like facebook, or like SEO dumping grounds. I think if someone wants to talk about the ...

RMX.news is a mainstream journal? I... don't think so. I also don't think just posting a picture and a link to an article is good enough for a discuss...

True. What I've noticed though is that, if you seek a definition of Christianity from most of these Churches, they'll give a very basic broad intuitiv...

You stated Mormons aren't Christian. You haven't given any argument at all towards that end but a bunch of silliness. If I wanted you to give a cohere...

I hope you don't expect people on a philosophy forum to just accept your word for it without coherent arguments. There's a higher criteria for accepta...

What are you talking about? You haven't made an argument that they're not christian. Your failure to make an argument proves you wrong, not what i kno...

you said it doesn't seem like i know a lot about mormonism. I'm not just saying it randomly, YOU brought up the topic of how much I know about mormoni...

do you have any intention to stop being silly?

I know an awful lot about mormonism, you're being silly. If you don't expect people to think that you mean Mormons aren't Christian for the reason you...

That's not how most people use punctuation - they can string together related thoughts within a paragraph, separated by periods; that's normal.

I know more about Mormonism than most Mormons do.

It's really, really weird that you'd list two reasons to disqualify a religion from being christian, and then say mormons aren't christian, and NOT me...

and why aren't they?

the way you presented it it seemed like thats what you were saying. if it's not, what are you saying?

wait, but Mormons believe both of those things (can't say I know about the Kardashians though). From the horses mouth: https://ph.churchofjesuschrist....

Even my toddler can list off all the mediations provided by the synchro-mesh of ecology!

I think there is, as long as when you say the words "initial conditions" and "laws of nature" you're also including the initial conditions and laws of...

Sounds like quite the pretzel he's twisted his brain into. I would just call that identical to determinism. If the system we live in isn't just physic...

This is actually really common. A lot of determinists have compatibilist intuitions but just don't like the word 'free will' because it's too tied up ...

Yup. So that information isn't in principle absent from knowing the position and velocity of all the relevant stuff. Only as wide as the effective stu...

Seems to me like the precise location and momentum of every particle (quantum indeterminacy notwithstanding) -- not just of the cup, but of the enviro...

If you want to learn about the language and thought patterns when a certain kind of determinist talks about choices, this might interest you. https://...

It depends on what you mean by "the colour itself". Our sensitivity to certain wavelengths of light, and the fact that some of our retinal cells are m...

I was not expecting this reply. I thank you for humbling me. Still, just because one field of study uses another field of study doesn't mean the first...

But why would that justify thinking physics should "describe logic"? Accounting uses math, does the study of accountancy "describe math"?

Your comment seems to be talking as if consciousness and determinism are opposites or something. If your entire point is "consciousness is a more wide...

Do you have strong evidence of that? Upon googling, I see that both ancient greeks and buddhists were contemplating determinist world views hundreds o...

Like what? Coin a new word, maybe "jiggerston", and tell me what it would mean if it were coined in that context. I'm not understand what new words yo...

I don't suppose people, as a whole, have *ever* had a complete model of what it means to think. We experientially understand what thinking is like, bu...

what does thinking without consciousness have to do with anything? Did someone suggest that in this thread?

I don't think this really bears out. Many ancient thinkers were deterministic, both from a causal point of view and also a theological point of view -...

I think it's fair to say that's not a satisfactory proof because of infinite sequences, but this is absolutely not what hand waving looks like. Whethe...

Thank you for expressing to me your thoughts on the matter