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Ah. I gotcha. I haven't read Tye's book. I'll look for it. His hypothesis is similar to mine in thinking consciousness is due to some inherent propert...

I think it's the same situation. I am not aware of any physicalist hypothesis explaining qualia. You may be right that the "feeling of self awareness"...

I believe so. I don't think what you are describing is the feeling of self-awareness that you and I have. And I don't think that feeling is the progra...

Awesome!! I am very excited!! By all means, please proceed!! Btw, I didn't gloss over. I just didn't write out 50,000 physical events. But now you can...

They say influencing the welfare of its body is crucial.

In what way does thermostat's outputs influence the welfare of its body?

Feedback loops in our brain. Mental feedback loops, as opposed to loops that are involved with, for example, homeostasis. I always go back to Ogi Ogas...

Or that. :rofl: I really don't see that problem, either. We are made up of many information processing systems. Some, are shared with many species, ri...

Anything we are aware of is part of our reality. It cannot be otherwise.

I think so. A bacterium experiences warmth, and that's maybe all there is to say. I experience warmth. But I have mental abilities the bacterium does ...

:rofl: I do agree with this, as it happens. I think everything is an object of experience. But I don't think the experience is an object that, itself,...

Can you explain what you mean by "experience being conscious"? we come at consciousness from different directions. I'm happy to explore your idea, but...

Indeed, we are miles apart on this. Consciousness and the feeling of warmth are not two different things. The feeling of warmth is an example of a con...

We have will free from the laws of physics. Countless things exist that would not exist if particles and the things comprised of particles interacted ...

I've never thought about things in this particular way, so this is just my first reaction. But I don't know if that idea applies to heat. Heat is the ...

There is no "perhaps" about it, in my opinion. Nothing about the physical substrate suggests qualia, self-awareness, or anything to do with subjective...

I am skeptical, because we have absolutely nothing at this point. We know to test assumptions, and not just believe what we think must be true, as the...

Yes, consciousness is natural in that sense. Of course not. I have no idea why you're making this point. In this sense, consciousness is natural becau...

I do not agree that the only things that exist are things that are meaningful to the physical sciences. I know you said "natural", not "physical". But...

As I said, consciousness is part of the world. I invite you to believe that you are also conscious, and also part of the world.

Again, yes.

I'm not concerned with what he was accused of. I wouldn't even be concerned if the accusations are true. He, anybody, can be right about some things, ...

I rather like this, from Mind and Cosmos

The problem is verification. I can't imagine how many internally consistent ideas can be developed. Including any physicalist ones. But how to tell wh...

I understand, and you're no more monotonous than I am. :grin: I just think that, since there's no hint of any physical properties of consciousness, de...

I would think so. At least in regards to the physical sciences. We can't weigh, or measure in any way, consciousness with the tools of the physical sc...

I don't suspect consciousness can be captured scientifically. Despite many very smart people trying their best; despite them not falling for another é...

I'm agreeing with what you said:Our subjective experience is in everything we do, every moment. It is ignored/disregarded/bracketed out, beginning, it...

If all agree that consciousness has always been there, and had just been ignored for certain purposes, then I don't know what the debate is about.

That is true, regardless of what guess anyone has about the nature of consciousness, and regardless of the actual answer. Consciousness has always bee...

Indeed. It's hard to see how a property of particles can be considered "from the outside." Mass and charge are not "from the outside." I'm not aware o...

I don't agree that this is what panpsychism is attempting to do. And I maintain that physical objects and processes cannot add up to subjective experi...

There is no way to predict what most thoughts will cause most people to think next. Different people have different memories; percentages of various h...

Mmmm... No. I asked google, and it said yes. I should have looked into it. What I mean is this... For a very long time, a writer took a feather, dippe...

I don't know. It seems to me life is processes, not properties. Our planet has various amounts of various elements, so that's what the laws of physics...

I swear I'm not trying to be difficult, but I don't get it. How can you learn how to use the word correctly other than by being taught those qualities...

I have to assume we could make a program that duplicates itself, but does so imperfectly. Since they operate so fast, they could doubtless go through ...

Yes, it can get sticky. Google says: Metabolism refers to all the chemical reactions that occur within an organism to maintain life. That might be cir...

I assumed you're familiar with one. If reproduction is part of the definition of life, then worker bees and mules are not alive. Neither is my mother,...

I know I'm alone here at TPF in my thinking that consciousness is fundamental. But, if I'm right, then there is consciousness in all such entities. An...

That's a great way of putting it. If life wants to endure, it needs to know what is valuable. I would like to say: Therefore, something choosing valua...

You are the one who suggested that solution, because you want cars to be seen as having the mental abilities we have. I'm fine with cars being seen as...

Of course, I'm going to disagree regarding consciousness, because I think it's fundamental. However, we probably think we need the same features, whet...

I can't imagine there's a better way to word it.

Ok. What is that word?

Yes. Rudimentary intentionality. Rudimentary thinking. Since nearly all life uses DNA, it's a reasonable assumption that LUCA had DNA. And LUCA would ...

(Thanks for pointing out the omission. I've fixed it.) I think it would be a great thread, although our guesses about the connection between life and ...

Yeah, I just fixed the link. I don't know how I managed to screw it up so badly the first time. Thanks for pointing it out. It's a 31 minute overview ...

Well, since I think consciousness is fundamental, I'm gonna have to disagree. :grin: I think that, since consciousness is a property of all things, en...

How is a transcendent ground not brute fact or part of an infinite regress? What third alternative is there?