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Of course. The difference between information and meaning. No message provides the complete background necessary to make the information in the messag...

I'm thinking the "what it is like to be..." is due to subjective experience. Kind of the same thing. If I did not have subjective experience, there wo...

Just started reading this thread. Sorry if I'm repeating what's been said. I agree. I like Nagel’s definition in What is it like to be a bat? I don’t ...

Ah. Ok. No, I am still working my way through others. Slow process for me. I started it. But I don't expect him to have the answer to the question of ...

Please clue me in! :grin: What do we see taking place that is on top of what I'm talking about, and how does it cause consciousness? The crux of the H...

Indeed, it is processes that lead to consciousness. Although I’ve heard someone say otherwise, I think consciousness, itself, is also a process. Howev...

Ba DUM bum I guess autocorrect visited me again. I'm leaving it. :lol:

Deacon talks about the importance of zero, and how it twisted to to his thinking.

Where is said thesis? I am entirely lacking in formal education in all things philosophical. Reading what I can on consciousness. Plenty of available,...

I listen to Incomplete Nature, among others, during my commute.

Not arguing for proto-consciousness here. Just pointing out that Brian Greene says something similar. In Until the End of Time: Mind, Matter, and Our ...

Same goes for our thinking and communicating. I don't know how to think without it. If someone came up with a way to communicate without it, I suppose...

How much do they weigh? How much volume do they take up?

Yes, that is the Hard Problem. How would purely physical things bring about a non-physical thing?

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Behavior is not consciousness. That's stimulus and response. How do you behave when something sharp pokes into your back? How do you behave when your ...

I don't know of anyone who doesn't think the brain is necessary for human consciousness. But that doesn't tell us how the material brain produces cons...

I agree. The burden of proof is on anyone who claims to have the answer. Nobody has the answer at the moment. It’s all guesswork on everybody’s part. ...

That is the Hard Problem. "Through our physical brain" is a where, not a how. "In the sky" does not tell us how flight is accomplished. "In our legs" ...

I understand. But that is not what the Hard Problem is. The Hard Problem is explaining how subjective experience exists at all. What you are talking a...

At 1:24, he says:And in my quote, he says nothing we know from our sciences even hints at it. I think he would agree with me that we don't have the an...

I often cannot follow what you're saying. I'm always trying to read various books on all this stuff, but it doesn't come easily to me. I'm always look...

You are not describing the HPoC. It's true that nobody/thing can experiences my subjective experiences. But the HP is not that we can't communicate su...

Perhaps cosmologists know the answer? They're always trying to figure out the math as close to the BB as possible, but they don't think it works withi...

What I mean is, will thinking that objects 'possess an inherent attribute that can be labeled "number"' lead to a dead end? Will thinking it is not an...

No. I did not, and do not, declare the order is designed. Yes. The order pre-existed the life that arose within it. Again, I did not, and do not, ackn...

Certainly not. I don't believe a human could come to any intelligence or consciousness under those circumstances. I believe sensory input is essential...

Just seeing this thread, and only read the first post. Hopefully not annoying everyone with stuff that's been discussed to death.How would it have bee...

I have never thought about this topic to any degree. Now that I am, I think I disagree. I don’t think the things being counted have an attribute calle...

My apologies. I just don't know what you're saying.

You asked these questions:Have you just answered them?

I'm not on sure footing in a lot of this. I don't know if intelligence must increase before awareness does. At least in the sense of the "loftier" kin...

Math may have beginning because we noticed repeatable patterns in material objects. But math is not a material object. The mathematical writings in bo...

Yup. I didn't say it's an improvement. Just that it's more aware. We are certainly more aware than our cave-dwelling ancestors were. Even if our brain...

Well, I tried to present it inn a humorous way. But not really a joke. In that way, we are, unarguable, growing. It's entirely possible our population...

There are quite a few more of us now than there used to be.

No. I'm saying we're a 'growing awareness'. Significance doesn't enter into it. Same with the growing plant in my yard. However, as human judgement is...

How are we not? Regardless of how, regardless of whether or not it implies anything about anything, regardless of how incalculably tiny a fraction of ...

Ah. Yes, I've read the book. (Even understood it now and then.) I just didn't know what your quote was from.

What's this?

Everything we see other than us lacks what we have. The only awareness the universe ha is through/in us. (Of course, maybe there are other pockets of ...

I wouldn't say "need." It's simply what's happening. -We are a part of the universe. -We are aware of the universe and ourselves. -Through parts of it...

:grin: My pleasure.

The problem is in viewing only material things as real. The reasons the Taj Mahal, Mona Lisa, Beethoven's String Quartets, and King Lear exist are not...

Ah. No worries. Good answer. It doesn't matter if it's for the greatest good, even if we objectively know what that is. It is immediately not the grea...

They were. But those relationships, and the laws of physics, are not why or how we are communicating. Computers and the internet would not have sponta...

I've only read the op so far, so don't know what you mean regarding "must's." I'll read later.

I'm something of a newbie, so bl not sure how these definitions work. I would say there are things that exist that are physical, and things that exist...

Correct.

I usually do. But this one was only a scroll up several posts. Nevertheless, I will do better in the future. I'm making your life difficult?? :D Indee...