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Memories are stored, are they not? In the brain, in some physical manner.

That's just something programmed into my false memories.

Me either. Not we. It's just me. The rest of you are false memories.

Yup. From what we have seen of quantum fluctuations, we know that's a possibility, given enough time?

It looks like you two are talking about the same thing. How many virtual particles have been observed in the same place at the same time? Because quan...

That is my understanding. If the memories of all the stimulus we take in and actions we perform are stored physically in our brains, then there's no n...

What are these models/theories? What predictions do they make? How are they tested? I am aware of the idea that, in an infinite amount of time, an inf...

I believe the idea is that, if you are a BB, no, you have not been chatting with anyone for any amount of time. Rather, you, a BB, have existed for on...

Thanks. That's what I suspected, since i couldn't think of what else it might mean. But Hume and I will have to agree to disagree. Hehe

I just started reading, so maybe this is addressed. But it seems odd to say it's unperceived, but we perceive it.

Not that I'm aware of.

Either there was never a time when there was nothing, or there was nothing and something came into existence uncaused. Neither seems possible, but at ...

From Richard Bach's Illusions.

Star Trek's transporter is riddled with issues. :lol: We can argue it does very different things, and back it up with what happened in one episode or ...

Right. And it's the same whether the transporter kills the original before the duplicate is created, or after.

we could easily set up the transporter as a Prestige scenario. Supposedly, it deconstructs the body, mapping out every particle exactly, and reconstru...

I don't think the Rikers or Tuvix imply body-soul dualism. Quite the contrary. I do not believe the transporter would be capable of transporting, dupl...

It's difficult to say what I disagree with. No, no ghostly self. But there is something it is like to be you, and something it is like to be me. Exact...

You kinda did. Not exactly, but "Identity over time is no less illusory for conscious beings than it is for objects." is pretty much the same thing. A...

Does knowing this allow anyone to see through the illusion? It does not for me. When I learn how a card trick works, I no longer see the illusion. I s...

It isn't. Nothing is not a thing that exists. When I eat my only apple, I don't then have a number of apples remaining, and that number is 0. The abse...

If it really works the way it does in that episode, you are looking for something that isn't there. There are two copies of Riker. What makes them uni...

The premise is a world of p-zombies physically identical to us, but with no consciousness anywhere.

I do not think a robot we can build that response to stimuli would think it was conscious. I don't think a bunch of them living together would come up...

Would they have subjective experience or self-awareness beyond that of a robot that we can build that reacts to stimuli?

If you're dead, just take the body away and bury it.

TE is Thought Experiment. This particular one is about exact physical duplicates of us, but with no consciousness, which behave exactly like us in all...

The premise of the TE is what it is. Nobody here came up with it. We're just discussing the premise. A couple of us are saying it is not valid.

Why would the p-zombies of such a world be discussing their consciousness?

If you have a duplicate that's a functioning person, indistinguishable from the original, then it seems to me anything that needed to transfer did.

That's why I would never be transported. Yes, the original is destroyed, and a duplicate is created. The duplicate doesn't have any sense of being a d...

How is it you think no-one really gets killed? Is there not a human being standing there? Is it not a human being because of the way it came into exis...

Why would that be ok??

*bow* Thank you, folks. I'll be here all week.

No. Kirk wasn't also split. Kirk was split. Riker was not. Two entirely different scenarios. Kirk was, indeed, split in two. His yin and yang halves w...

Yes. My position is that the premise is not conceivable. Yes, we can write the words "I conceive of a p-zombie with such-and-such characteristics." Bu...

If I asked a p-zombie if it was conscious, I would think its brain would prompt it to say something like, "What is 'conscious'?" Why would a computer ...

Right. If physicalism is absolute, then p-zombies - exact physical duplicates of us, down to the smallest detail - without consciousness are not a pos...

My turn to not understand. :grin: How would the p-zombies, which do not possess consciousness, come to be programmed to speak and act as though they d...

That's not my argument. That's the premise, which i dispute.

The difference is that we can program computers to act like us. But there's no reason to think p-zombies would act like us.

That's the scenario we're given. P-zombies are supposed to act exactly like us. We would have no way of knowing that they have no consciousness. So th...

The op says:The brain is still connected. I take it that the reason the body is still moving is because the brain is still receiving and sending with ...

It seems to me that needs accounting for. Why would something that has no subjective experience - something for which there is nothing it is like to b...

Yup. Just adding my voice. NotAristotle askedI would say a couple reasons. First is the same reason it's important to say 1 + 1 = 2, not 3. Second, be...

And the viewer of the illusion is the illusion itself. An illusion is fooled into thinking itself to be real. That's a heck of a magic trick! Reminds ...

Coincidentally, i just started listening to Anil Seth's Being You: A New Science of Consciousness on my commute. He says exactly what I think. Not to ...

The premise is that the brain is still connected. No explanation as to how, but that's the premise. It is still getting the same information from the ...

if that's all there is to it, do you mean consciousness is functionality?

Yes, I saw The Bit Player a couple months ago. Enjoyed it. Shannon seems to be the most important person nobody ever heard of.