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I don't know that everyone who thinks consciousness is not emergent thinks something non-physical is at work. Some may think consciousness is physical...

I know what you mean, and I'm not sure I have an argument against it. But I still see a difference that feels important. DNA, I suspect all natural in...

Yes. DNA is encoded information. The codons and strings of codons mean amino acids and proteins. Using that information, things like the RNAs, aminoac...

I really don't know enough about them to know if they are what I'm calling "units in regards to consciousness." They could be like dominoes, which are...

Is it not surprising and disappointing that we still don't have words or phrases for such common things, and can only say things like "mythical creatu...

Your link has some great stuff. It's all way beyond me, so it's very possible things are far more than what I just posted in response to RogueAI. I'm ...

Could be. Nobody can claim definite knowledge of the subject. There's no way to test any of the theories. I don't suspect ChatGPT is conscious as a un...

Indeed, there is no decision. There is only one possible course of action, and the thermostat cannot not take it. What if a tiny critter has a sensor ...

Interesting phrase. Can nothingness be vast?

Could be. Unless they have definitively figured out all about consciousness, no longer debating it the way we do, and would know for sure.

Do you think LLMs understand text? I don't think they have the slightest understanding that the marks on paper, or the binary code that the marks on p...

But I meant to say: For any unit to be conscious as a unit, it must be a unit processing information. A ping-pong ball is not a unit in regards to con...

Argh! Reading your quote of me, I see a mistake. I don't know how I made such an obvious mistake, but "energy" should be "information". no I have your...

I disagree. :joke:

Yep. Thank you. It seems some would forbid such discussions.

Your mind will be gone pretty much the moment you die.

I forgot this part when I replied. Here's what I'm thinking... 1) Consciousness is fundamental, not emergent from the physical.* 2) Therefore, somethi...

Yes, it may be a unit only in our eyes. A rock, a stop sign, a cruise ship, a cloud, anything. those are not units in the way I mean, because there is...

I agree. Information processing - thinking - is a physical thing. I just posted this on response to : I believe that is a description of a mental even...

That's not what I mean. The key is that I don't think consciousness and thinking/mental activity are related. Human consciousness is the experience of...

I agree. The mind turns off at times, like deep sleep or general anesthesia.

My position is that the phrase "consciously experience" is like "visually see". But my guess is you don't mean it that way. I would guess you mean som...

The physical is things like photons* hitting retina, being converted into electrical signals that go to the brain, trigger a storage mechanism contain...

I'm suggesting that nothing, not humans or anything else "has a consciousness". Said that way, consciousness is a thing. Rather, everything "is consci...

Legitimate criticism. I don't claim to have every answer or to have thought of every aspect. And I might not always word things clearly. I started thi...

I don't know the answer to what I think you are asking. I don't know that it could ever be known. After all, Brian Greene wrote, "I don’t know what ma...

Consciousness is subjective experience. That's all. Everything experiences it's own existence. I certainly was not. I'll look at your link. Sounds lik...

Yes. :rofl: I am trying to respond to as many as I can at the end of a long day, working on 5 hours of sleep, and my alarm is going off again in 6 hou...

No, that is not my view. A clockwork machine would not have made skyscrapers, computers, nuclear bombs, or the Hoover Dam. It would not have written S...

I wouldn't think so. But I don't know what you're getting at.

Yes. Typo. :grin: I literally never use anything but my cell phone, usually swiping. I do try to proofread, but don't always do the best job.

I'm not sure if you're asking two different questions, or if you are asking the same question in two different ways. My answer to the second, and poss...

There is a vast difference between the experience of a human whose brain/body is functioning typically and the same human brain/body that is either de...

Why is X constructed? If the equivalent of everything we know in X is already present in Y, then why do we need X?

I thank you for your words. I'm grateful you think I expressed my idea well. That's certainly a possibility. I'm suggesting something different. I am ...

Unfortunately, that hasn't gotten us anywhere. Each hypothesis has its own camp. There's no way of proving anything. There are some widely diverse bel...

I don't know what can be said about consciousness in regards to any hypothesis. They are either right or wrong. No? But I'm not saying everything is c...

Aside from having the same old debate that everyone has had so many times, I'm not to much of anything. Yes. many say it just happens, that it emerges...

Consciousness is subjective experience. That's all. Everything experiences it's own existence.

It doesn't foreclose discussion about the idea that consciousness is fundamental, and that it is simple, undifferentiated experience. It means a diffe...

I know what you mean. And it seems easy to say no for bacteria and yes for humans. But those kinds of things that I've read never say how consciousnes...

The idea is that there is no non-consciousness. Everything is experiencing. Some things experience sapience, sentience, mental. I don't know what perc...

No worries. I'm hoping to see half the posts here. :grin:

Sorry. I'm not sure I understand your question, so my response might be a non sequitur. is this something along the lines of, as I said above, if you ...

I agree that that is absurd. But I do not equate consciousness with sapience or sentience. I can say atoms are conscious without meaning they are sapi...

Not in this thread. I've given my reasons often, though. I don't take part in many other kinds of discussions here. But I am hoping to have discussion...

I am saying consciousness does not cease when one is in general anesthesia. The experience is of an anesthetized person. Which is very different from ...

I do not believe consciousness is an emergent property of matter. That is the very point of this thread. Consciousness is fundamental, not emergent.

I did, in my response to sushi:To which I will add that, while others may think the consciousness of a dead body is more interesting than a rock's, ne...

I've read many of your posts. I often don't know what you're talking about. I'm not well versed in most of the stuff discussed here. I sometimes join ...