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Why not, if one includes talking and writing ?

:up: This is why 'consciousness' doesn't quite work. Maybe even 'being' doesn't 'work,' doesn't say anything more than cat's meow. You will recognize ...

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:up: I suggest that, for humans, norms are primary, as deep as anything else. The self is something that ought to be good, ought to be rational. Our t...

I'm beginning to see how they are the same thing. We can drop 'mindindepent' as confusing. We can grasp language in terms of embodied enacted social n...

I think we agree that giving-a-damn is central to human being-there. We are temporal because we want stuff, fear stuff, seek stuff. 'Want' and 'fear' ...

I'd say a problem within a teleological projection.

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But consider that philosophers deny such a thing all the time. I'd even say that dualism is a default view, what people vaguely assume before they stu...

Clearly what is meant by 'perceive' is relevant here. I don't see how to avoid the involvement of semantic norms. I claim that we are negotiating how ...

I'm defending direct realism by focusing on implicit semantic norms. Other direct realists may hate my defense. I do not identity direct realism with ...

Why would it ? No one promised a clear line of sight to every intentional object. This is why I consider 'we talk about the cat and not about our imag...

Most Some of us tend to treat plants without much care, but my wife is sad when a plant dies though, and she sometimes feels guilt for not watering or...

Yes, I should have quoted this and worked from it, sorry. The issue is, in my view, that we don't very well know what we mean by feels something --- e...

Maybe (?) we could also add that this is not an empirical discovery. 'Dasein' (a person) is not an occurrent object like an apple. We treat 'em differ...

Cool. For context, I'm an atheist who still finds theology interesting (as implicit anthropology, or something like that.)

:up: We are always on the way, bringing to fruition, living into or toward a possibility. This organizes our grasp of the world and our past.

Heidegger is quite readable at times. Of course I'd vote for focusing on his own (translated) words first. Dreyfus is one of many interpreters worth c...

I thought you studied Heidegger ? Doesn't everyone know at least this part ? As with Wittgenstein, in the beginning is the deed. At the bottom of The ...

Probably he meant we can't impose our speculations on others as binding.

:up: And one could even embrace the exclusive cult approach, but to me it's not the way to go.

Negative theology. Which ain't necessarily a bad thing.

To me it's an influence among others. Why can't it make the work better ?

:up: Fair enough. Personally I don't mind creative interpretations. But one should be upfront about it.

No need, in my view, to discuss his character again. I dig what he did with his inheritance. I was raised Catholic myself.

I suggest that consciousness isn't doing much work here. Wouldn't awareness be better ? We are aware of distant stars, apples just out of reach. The l...

Before life perhaps. Problems are in the way, a way. Life is directed toward food and reproduction.

This is plausible but not obvious. I suggest that the training is much deeper than that. If pushed, then (if we are philosophers) we rationalize this ...

I agree. He is twisting his inheritance. Falling immersion is a state of sin. Felix culpa ! I find strange tendrils running between Joyce and Heidegge...

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Also should note in passing that Kojeve's Hegel is weird and great (scifi ?) (mixed with Heidegger and Marx.) Brandom's is profound in its relentless ...

Respectfully, you seem to just not yet understand what I'm getting at. It's possible that some direct realist fit that picture, but it should be obvio...

It adds nothing, methodically. It's like 'unmediated.' It denies the middle man. Scraps postulated metaphysical phlogiston. It's like atheism. Doesn't...

Yes, I accept that provided definition of direct realism as good enough for now. My defense of this direct realism (of the claim that we have and talk...

See how you are holding me to linguistic norms, asking me to justify/defend my moves in social space ?

Some of it might be projection (finding what you look for), but that cake is crazy rich.

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:up: We are rubbing a magic lamp !

Yes. And that method may have a wider application ! Rorty jokes about us always finding Hegel ahead of us on the path.

I am grinding coffee beans now because I hope to be drinking coffee soon. I never signed up to be born in a world with coffee in it. It was my fate, t...

<smile> It is good to have a Josh-whisperer. Sometimes I think I also speak that dialect, but maybe not always.

:up: Yes. But (as you'll maybe grant) it's not just language, not just thought. Aconceptual competence. 'Mindless' comportment. The way of a man with ...

All right my friends I gotta hit the hay.

For the record, I know that the normative approach is counterintuitive !

Please review the context. I think you'll see in this case that Russell is just being difficult. <smile>

:up: Cool. So we can agree on embodied cognition. But perhaps we do not agree that selves are discursive normative entities performed in a social worl...

Just pretend it's not there. Like I said, close enough.

I claim that the concept of consciousness is something we perform. I personally think the term is more trouble than it's worth in this context. Astron...

:up: Directedness of human activities, like what an arrow is flying toward ?