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So what was so wacky about me saying that roses are red ?

Is color strings ?

Is consciousness strings ? (If string theory is correct?)

So pain is strings ?

I'm not seeing how you get around dualism exactly.

If images are just brain activity, and brain activity is strings... ?

Do you believe in consciousness ?

Indirect realism has (1) images and (2) reality itself, right ? https://iep.utm.edu/perc-obj/ When I look at the coffee cup there is not a material ca...

Yes. Which is basically dualism, it seems to me. You experience sensation which you refer to (which represents or mediates) some forever hidden real.

So you agree that math is brain activity, but you say that your hand is strings (or some entity of that kind.) To me this is like saying your hand is ...

Isn't indirect realism about a mediating image or consciousness which is not the Real itself ? Presumably created by the nervous system ?

I know that. I mean the claim is indeterminate in the context of dualism. I've studied some physics. It's a bunch of math and abstract concepts. The i...

Are apples real ?

Math is a type of brain activity. Brain activity is real. Therefore, math is real. Apples don't have math-properties.

I get that. But what can the scientific realist mean ? Indirect realism looks like dualism, so why does math get to poke through the veil of images ?

You think color is just in our head, right ?

Semantic not pedantic. The scientific image is just that, an image, a model. But you seem to say that the map is the territory. That atoms are really ...

I understand why you would say that. I'm just saying that it's artificial to call color unreal and yet keep shape or mass. Kant went the whole hog and...

I say 'in consciousness' as if from your point of view.

But string theory is just math. It's something in consciousness like redness.

I think the entities within the scientific image exist at the same time and in the same world as roses and promises and concepts.

Why isn't math also just brain activity ? 'Appearance,' image, etc.

You said your hand is really something like strings from string theory. Is that correct ?

I read the Russell quote. I think it's a confused dualism.

But that's just an image in your head, right ? Why would math be more real than color ?

:up: Exactly. And now we have crazy electronic devices for recording everything. The historians of the future are going to be swamped.

OK. So...what is a fire then really ? What is your hand really ?

My gripe is that indirect realism smuggles in naive realism to set itself up with a world in which social organisms have sense organs and nervous syst...

You must mean (?) that you feel pain when an internal image shows you 'your' hand in a fire. Why would you trust such a image ? And how would your kno...

This is how it seems to me as well. I also don't think it works. Ideas of scientific entities are experienced. That's why Kant was shrewd enough to sa...

Philosophy is often a serious kind of poetry. Yes, we like inferences. But metaphors do much of the lifting. Poetry is not always fiction. It makes ex...

:up: Very close to my view. The rule is : I can disagree with you but not with me.

:up: I agree: Geist is just natural stuff that moves in a special way. We make noises and marks and skyscrapers and religions. I like that approach, b...

All of that seems reasonable. At one time, the law of gravity just summed up how things were attracted to things. Then it got assimilated by the more ...

The underspecification of the world is also its endless openedness for philosophy. We can debate whether it is a flat black square, is really made of ...

Forget this superstition of the meanings of individual words. Also no one agrees. Language is received like the law and endlessly renegotiated. Look a...

For us now primordial. The social normative worldly linguistic situation is as deep and central as it gets. I think Gabriel is missing the point. The ...

The emotion in his work is great. The translators tend to do a great job. Hegel could write one hell of a speech too. https://www.marxists.org/referen...

I don't think so. Not essentially. I've provided links to alternatives. The language, its users, and the world are primordially unified. I claim that ...

This to me is the 'open region.' Thrown into and embedded within spirit we did not choose, we also thereby have the means not only for a serious twist...

Seems interesting. He does seem to exaggerate the resistance to teleology in biology, which looks a bit crankish, though clearly he's a smart guy. htt...

I propose that he creates a miniature form of life in his works. One hangs out in his world and gradually groks when and how to use the phrases (as to...

FWIW, Brandom frames the situation as concepts themselves getting their meanings from how claims involving them are linked inferentially. The claim is...

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:up: I agree that many simply ignore their own situation as philosopher or scientist. They ignore their what they themselves are made of ---or rather ...

I found a great source that seems relevant here. https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/229403462.pdf ********************* Further the process of acculturat...

the priority of sociality Fixing belief is perhaps like fixing a policy for action and response, for both individuals and communities. Rationality is ...

Excellent passage from C S Peirce: https://arisbe.sitehost.iu.edu/menu/library/bycsp/logic/ms179.htm The only justification for reasoning is that it s...

Helpful Brandom quote: *************************************************** For Kant, our normative status as autonomous, our possession of the authori...

So many many roads lead back to Hegel, lead forward to Hegel maybe. There's not only the stuff he wrote. There's also how others have twisted him this...