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Strictly speaking, you know what you inferred. Inference is not extra-sensory perception.

Wasn't @"Isaac" the one who started talking in terms of hidden states? He could probably expand on what he was referring to.

hidden states

Not exactly. He's making fun of Schopenhauer in some respects: the stuff about the subject being the limit of the world. You should be laughing at the...

That is correct. I read the text as well.

That is the point, though. When he says the logic of the world is sympathetic to the logic of language, your response should be: how does he know that...

I climbed it. I got it. It's not really that complicated.

Reading Schopenhauer would prime you to get it, though. It's similar stuff.

Per the SEP: "It becomes clear that the notions used by the Tractatus—the logical-philosophical notions—do not belong to the world and hence cannot be...

Ok. But this debate seems inconsequential once you get the punchline. It's all nonsense. :blush:

You need to read the SEP article. Wittgenstein knew that his picture theory was literal nonsense, which means he knew it doesn't correspond to anythin...

His next step is to declare that everything he just said about propositions and thoughts being like pictures is nonsense. This doesn't mean it's false...

I didn't say otherwise. ?

Per the Tractacus, states of affairs are isomorphic with thoughts and propositions. Thought is linguistic for Wittgenstein. A major challenge to corre...

Whatever you call it, it's pretty common.

But the world is made of facts, as opposed to being made of objects. Per the SEP: "Starting with a seeming metaphysics, Wittgenstein sees the world as...

Objects aren't fundamental in the Tractacus. States of affairs are. Any object has inherent properties of relatability: it can relate in logical ways ...

This is how the SEP puts it: "The logical structure of the picture, whether in thought or in language, is isomorphic with the logical structure of the...

What specifically are you talking about?

Subsidizing industry is pretty common. That probably happens in most countries.

I mean, the SEP says the Tractacus was influenced by Schopenhauer. It also says that contemporary scholarship rejects the sharp divide between the Tra...

I'm going off the SEP article right now. I'm reading the text as well. I'm actually going to get a collection of essays on the multiple interpretation...

That makes sense. The content of experience includes a visual field that changes as you turn your head and glance around. This visual field with accom...

Lectin is known as a natural insecticide, so you're eating that when you eat beans. Interesting. I think the tadpoles are probably American toads. I d...

At first glance it looks like W is justifying correspondence theory by saying the world is linguistic in form. If the backdrop is Schopenhauerian, W's...

Lectin? My neighbor has a swimming pool and he didn't put any chlorine in it, so now there are a thousand tadpoles in there.

Ha! I called it! "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus was first published in German in 1921 and then translated—by C.K. Ogden (and F. P. Ramsey)—and publis...

Likewise saying that numbers exist outside of time and space (which just means they're not the kind of thing that ages or moves) doesn't explain anyth...

The use of the word "subject" and the way he uses the word "world" sounds like he's riffing on Schopenhauer, especially of the third book of WWR. That...

Thank you!

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Ok. That doesn't comply with the quote you gave though. Plus for some reason you have brought up the T schema.

The standard perspective is that relations are attributions. As I said, they're similar to properties. Properties are predicates. The linking verb "to...

I'm also very restless. Lately I'm needing to calm myself down, though.

Thank you. Can you advise a good secondary resource?

What problem? Berkeley's idealism is a kind is realism. The SEP calls it ontological idealism to distinguish it from epistemological idealism. Not acc...

That sounds good. Why did you only do it twice?

Does anyone meditate here? If so, could you say what you do and why, and what the results are?

Sorry. I might have failed to get your point. :grimace: I'll try again later.

If a dress is both red and blue, viewers will see a purple dress. (human viewers, anyway).

Could be. I think you are trying get leverage from aspects of your worldview. All that allows you to do is comment on your worldview.

Honestly, I think of voting as a ritual in the religion of democracy (that's roughly how I see it, anyway). Democracy is cumbersome, inefficient, and ...

Maybe there are actually two cups, one for you and one for me, and we communicate telepathically about our individual scenes. Point is: watch out for ...

How does this work then? I compare a proposition to the state of a world that is limited by my language. This actually sounds like empirical idealism....

I must have been mistaken. You wouldn't say something so ridiculous.

So we're straight that the representative data the spider has direct access to is not identical to hidden states, as you've been claiming. :up:

The spider sees its prey because its brain is receiving data representative of the prey. The representation and the prey are distinct. This is basic b...

Not without an ampmeter, no. Nevertheless those signals are representative. Are you denying that? Because you would be grossly out of step with biolog...

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