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But why do they need to do that? Why must they base their values on evolution or the theory of relativity or any other scientific theory or process th...

Science cannot agree or disagree. People can. Scientists recently discovered that most of the matter and energy in the universe they had been complete...

Before science decided, in the early 70s and over great internal resistence, that animals were conscious experiencers with emotions, it was taboo and ...

I was talking about the future history of science. You are saying it is beyond science, so this includes all future possible scientific theory and res...

That may well be the case, and the brain in vat/solipsism examples, I think are stronger examples than the God one. I think another stronger one would...

Agreed. Further current physics should not be called a physicalism, since the set of what can be considered physical has expanded radically, now encom...

Well, first off, I said it is not necessarily that kind of thing though I could have made my wording clearer. I meant, that just because cannot test s...

I added the bolded, underlined parts. IOW it is not necessarily that science cannot confirm or measure these things/areas/phenomena, but rather than s...

It seems to me like we live in an oligarchy and one's success is either through selling oneself into that power and pretending it is not an oligarchy ...

I think a lot of people would dispute that. Starting in Eden with Adam and Eve's willful disobendience of God. And while there are certainly parts of ...

I would call thIs a fallacy of unwarrent assumption. IOW we have a premise that may or may not be true which is not stated. The above works if we have...

in terms of evolution. IOW all that are alive are adapted to their environments, sure. But outside of evoutionary theory, using criteria that one deve...

But you don't have to deduce morality from Evolution. You can believe that evolution, some form of it, is the case. That in fact this process or set o...

Evolution led to the development of morality, first in protomoralities in many animals, perhaps even fully morality in some of the higher mammals, and...

it's a perfectly fair quoting of Matias...

Nope, I am not. I am looking at the specific model or definition of knowledge, JTB, and given the way it is used being critical of using the two adjec...

I did, in the post you responded to, first. Since you were not specific about what parts you disagreed with and that was one of the parts, I asked you...

Sure, it would be similar to dreams, but not the same. Similar in the sense that what seems like something other than us is not. More coherent as you ...

It was polemic without much argument, yes. Fine. But you simply asserted without explaining what this is, nor did you respond to the argument I made b...

And all the stuff under that we have access to category you refer to is justification. It is not some other, different stuff, it is stuff that justifi...

There are a number of fairly common misundertandings of evolutionary theory in this. As I like Sushi pointed out you are confusing Dawkins metaphor ab...

And I think it should be JB. As an adjective 'true' is just silly. Justified we can work with. Best justified is also workable. But to add the adjecti...

Another way to put this, less sociologically (lol), is to say that people seem to see an excluded middle between full belief and disbelief. There is n...

Some of them can be aware of what other minds might be thinking. But setiing that aside, animals seem to me to manage to be objective about a lot of t...

Or the only person there is decided to forget for a while that he/she/it is all there is. And now parts of itself - like figures in a dream - are star...

And once the word social is applicable to an animal, there is culture. I don't know if bees are social. But the social mammals are. And if they are no...

Well, if you uncharitably took the line out of context. I meant as opposed to nurture. In the how much they behave in certain ways due to nature vs. n...

Sure, and ironically this includes mathematicians and physicists - not all of course, but some. I suppose it's not ironic about the mathematicians giv...

If you would consider a supernatural explanatoin had stood up to reasonable scrutiny then you would consider it a natural explanation. What I mean is ...

Without being socialized by adults animals like these would lack all sorts of social and even skill tools (behavioral patterns). They are not hardwire...

And elephants, because their elders are being killed, are less socialized and males have been causing all sorts of problems with other elephants, huma...

and the sad thing is, you will deny that this statement is silly and not backed up by science, even though your argument is fine without it. People ge...

Sigh. No. You're making stuff up. 1) there is no way to measure insecurity. 2) Babies are held and do not realize there are predators, while at the sa...

And in many group social mammals that are just prey, th ey are very dependent on the tribe/group. And they are very cooperative, more so than us.

That's not because we are insecure, it is because we are born with less hardwired. A baby deer can walk instantly, we have to learn. We traded having ...

I may have missed it but your argument seems to be that since China has had great economic growth and they allow child labor, we should. As I pointed ...

I would guess custom and parenting would be. How did you measure that one? I would guess that many prey animals are, on average more nervous. We're a ...

Yes, since all they have, as empiricists, is experience to work with, any knowledge of the external world or even the conclusion that there must be on...

Wow. That raised so many issues and implies that use of drugs that are illegal is always by addicts or that everyone who uses illegal drugs is compell...

I didn't get this. Nice, clear. This will help clarify where we agree and disagree.This is certainly one of the arguments. re: breaking the law on mor...

Much of it certainly does. It tends not to cover a great deal of things that may be considered immoral - making fun of someone in most instances - but...

I agree it's broader, but is there a reason that expressing upsetness would be a taboo?I am trying to put it in a wider context, where I find taboos o...

It's certainly going to be a tough set of guidelines. Adn we haven't even separated out what are issues of law and what are merely moral breaches. Tha...

Would it be considered being offended if one got upset when others got offended? Then, I'm in. It would be lovely because I find that those with power...

We should allow slave labor too, sweat shop type relationships, indentured servitude, no workers rights, and we should, like the Chinese eliminate fre...

Well, I think using other people's work without compensating them fairly due to it being another cultural group one looks down on as cultural appropri...

It can be about money, yes, under most definitions I find. But it is not limited to this. The term seems to cover presenting facets of other cultures ...

If you don't conflate the law with morality, you could then explain what your morality is and where it differs from the law and where is it the same a...

Nothing is quite like we experience it. All vision shows things from an angle based on where our eyes are, rather than, say, from all directions at on...

I'm not a big fan of computer metaphors, but that might just be a tangential remark, we'll see. The cumulative enhancements and modifications may incl...