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You're asking what earth shattering consequences follow from Leibniz's law. Kripke is just setting the stage to show off a contradiction. That's all. ...

If x and y are identical, that means x and y are two different names for the same object. Like say John's nickname is Tweezer. x is John y is Tweezer ...

He makes the point that what we're doing is epistemology. It's about truth.

Correct. Not being made of ice is an essential property of the lectern. The basic idea here generalizes. Wow!

No problem.

If it was an interpretation, it was a misinterpretation.

I'm not sure why you're getting miffed. I simply pointed out that you misquoted the text. At this point, that is the substantive point I have to fucki...

This is what you wrote: That is incorrect. He doesn't say the lectern before us could be made of ice. You misquoted.

I don't see where he says the lectern before us could be made of ice. I think he's saying it couldn't be.

I'm going to write a book about how to be spontaneous, but I can't tell you what will be in it because I don't have anything planned. There may not ev...

@"Banno" Are we up to the wooden lectern?

A justification is something you need in order to appear rational. That gives you deposits in your social bank account among some circles. If you're a...

Queen Victoria: https://i.imgur.com/OAizNh1.jpg Sacagawea: https://i.imgur.com/w2DNYp6.jpg

It's "sad statue covered in moss in a forest" I used a few styles: studio light, photo, and hyperrealism. With the Leonora Carrington ones I imported ...

Not Russia. Putin.

I think you misunderstood what he meant by discovering identity. It appears that a lot of the time identity is something we declare. That's what's hap...

I can't stop. https://i.imgur.com/D51iDAV.jpg

I've been wondering who owns them. How did you do the landscapes? I can't stop making people covered in moss: https://i.imgur.com/TPy4uHq.jpg https://...

What's an identity statement?

The first part of this essay explains why that's problematic. How do you respond to Kripke's point?

And this is the problem Kripke is addressing. If your identity is a description or definition, then it makes no sense to say you could have become a p...

Let go of fixed plans and concepts, and the world will govern itself. (Tao Te Ching, 57) :nerd:

That's about metaphysical de re/de dicto. That's a question about whether what I believe about you is a property of you, or is it just a relation betw...

It sure is.

That's you about to get pooped on.

I think you at least have to have a common origin for all the possible versions of you. Like could you have been born female?

I don't think "de re" is a kind of modality. It's an aspect of intensional speech, like "Brian believes someone likes potato chips."

True, although there seems to be a spectrum from a completely defined entity (like Superman as we know him) all the way to a Superman who is radically...

De re and de dicto are about how one interprets an ambiguous statement. How does that tell us something about how some guy in an alternate universe is...

Imagine Lois travels to an alternate universe where Superman landed in Mexico instead of Iowa. He was raised by the Cortez family and they named him J...

In the early part he's basically explaining the problems with looking at proper names as descriptions. We learn empirically that Hesperus is Phosphoru...

Probably, but I wasn't talking about idealism or the measurement problem. I was talking about using quantum theory to explain how the brain works. Tha...

I'm not talking about the measurement problem. Penrose speculated that we should look to quantum mechanics for a theory of how consciousness works. Th...

But you know that people have been thinking about a possible link between consciousness and quantum mechanics at least since Penrose.

There's a theory. Don't you read pop sci?

The beetle may actually be public due to quantum entanglement.

Like what?

That's just wrong.

It wasn't Waite. Waite was a Golden Dawn guy. The tarot had become attached to the occult before the Golden Dawn even existed. It was some French guy ...

Yes. It was originally a deck for card games. You appear to be enthralled by that fact. :lol:

Yeah, I know. They almost disappeared altogether until some guy saw gypsies using them for divination and he decided they must be ancient wisdom from ...

Gypsies used the old game decks for divination before they were adopted by occult people. Obviously the deck has been redesigned a thousand times sinc...

Sounds fun!

Oh. Thanks for the correction.

According Kripke, his wooden lectern is made of wood in every possible world where that lectern exists. There are all sorts of properties we could cha...

Kripke brought up possible worlds as an aid to understanding how modality works. There are ways of parsing modal expressions that turn them into nonse...

That was pre-pandemic. I'm not the same person I was then.

I'm surprised you remember. I think there's something specific you wanted out of it and you ignored the rest.

We were talking about Naming and Necessity, by Kripke. Banno got the naming part, the necessity part, not so much.

:lol: Read the essay.