And I don't think that the fact that there's nobody "missing out" on pleasure is relevant. There's nobody in the void who's desperate to avoid existen...
Lol! Or perhaps the realisation that if a state of affairs devoid of harms does not need an experiencer to be deemed good, I don't think that one has ...
Which is why we don't have to accept Benatar's asymmetry in the first place, since it doesn't make sense to claim that the lack of harms is supposedly...
I don't think that there is any sound argument for universal antinatalism. If it is bad to create negative lives, I believe that it can also be good t...
Chickens might be wiser since they don't hold seem to hold strange views regarding the intrinsic badness of death. A view that ignores the larger pict...
No, the point was that it's not necessary that the "mediocre" lives are mostly bad. They could certainly be, but they could also be good (overall). Wh...
No, they're not. Many "mediocre" lives can also have value, but I agree that a life which a person won't cherish (for the most part) should not be cre...
Or perhaps life has so much value that it takes a significant amount of suffering before one decides that they no longer want to live. Even if there i...
Many of us certainly are grateful to be there. We cannot ask to be at the restaurant either. Thankfully, our friends were kind enough to bring us ther...
Fortunately, the horse won't have to deal with unjustified arguments premised upon intuitions that haven't been adequately understood ;) Anyhow, I app...
One could certainly "infer" it, but they would be irrational in doing so if they ignore the fact that there are also other factors that can support ot...
"Reason" does not tell us that death itself alters our being or is a terrible hellish dimension. Perhaps it does to you but that's a separate matter. ...
Except that not all intuitions are rationally justifiable. There was once a time when people's intuitions would have told them that thunder was a puni...
If you could realise that your own argument is premised upon people's intuitions and attitude towards death (which is something you indirectly referre...
Entropy does not entail that existence leads to hell anymore than it does that it eventually leads to heaven. As far as sentient beings are concerned,...
I don't think that the law affects the possibility of joy and the meaning one could find in their life. The mere existence of decay does not negate th...
Entropy does not entail that one cannot experience positives in their life, and even though chaos exists, I don't think that it outweighs the potency ...
There was and there are different answers to be found, though people accept different ones ;) The Earth is a slightly different matter, but I hope tha...
Death is not a portal to hell and universal antinatalism remains illogical, particularly in light of the fact that this thread has failed to provide a...
I already did in my previous comments. The primary dispute was regarding the "best explanation part" (A1:P1) since as I have said innumerable times, t...
No, it is not justified or sound. Having a reason to avoid something under some circumstances does not automatically entail that the thing itself is i...
That most lives are bad. It is you who fails to understand that very difference, I am afraid. The premise that we have a reason to avoid death under e...
Well, I suppose they could say that people would clearly want to avoid hell as much as possible, not jump into it as soon as possible. But then one al...
Considering that most people do seem to find immense value in their lives even in the face of harm, I don't think that it's justifiable to believe tha...
I used fear to refer to our aversion to death. I don't think that you are willing to look hard at the evidence at hand, my friend. Unless you realise ...
I am afraid that Bartricks is (seemingly) incapable of understanding that we can be afraid of something because we don't want something of value to be...
Indeed:) Acceptance will of course vary, but pertinent points of shared concern remain and need to be addressed by all. The future can be more or less...
Many ways of losing it, some more subtle than others. Beginnings and endings are perpetual, but I hope that good ones are preferred. In general, I do ...
There are people far wiser than me out there. I just hope I can gain a more nuanced understanding of their views and mould my own beliefs in a more ra...
I don't think that all of these individuals are misanthropic. They could indeed be driven by a strong sense of compassion for others. I would merely s...
Indeed, and that is why it is wrong because good is also there. Nobody has tried to find the positive value either. I was referring to harm and good t...
If people cannot find adequate value in their lives, it would obviously be better if they did not exist. I do not think that an exact calculation exis...
I don't think that it takes the richness and ubiquitous profundity of the joys into account to a sufficient degree, so I disagree with the idea that i...
There is no "mercy" in violating the interests of billions of sentient beings for a nonexistent good or a "solution" that's much worse than the proble...
And also happier in many ways. Nay antinatalism! It could, but once again, looking at an incomplete picture is dangerous. There is a potent joy hidden...
Parenting isn't always easy. I've met many parents who've sacrificed their careers and their enjoyment for the sake of giving their children a good li...
Of course they would, and I disagree with that. Since one cannot guarantee that no life would would be immensely valuable and permeated with joys that...
Less than not doing so for the sake of a single-minded focus on harms ;) But yeah, I agree that purely selfish procreation is a reality that will hope...
And we love: 1. Happiness (which isn't an illusion). 2. Living. 3. Life Entropy is inevitable, but the creation of something that can act as source of...
Another failure here—this one being the mistake to not distinguish between a statement about a lack of explanation and a reply to arguments. Not under...
And you did not read my reply or failed to understand it. The bomb would still harm existing people, and since it isn't necessary for them to be harme...
Some ropes are thinner than others ;) You've proven my point about projection by accusing me of doing what you have been indulging in throughout this ...
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