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What are you talking about? You're missing the point. My argument is all the evidence I need, and it doesn't have to be evidence of the kind that you ...

Lol, no. The relevant response to that is to ask why that supposedly matters. The question is not whether anything extant has empirical evidence avail...

Tricky, ain't it? This is what I managed earlier: This was supposed to be the main focus, but the discussion has gone a number different and interesti...

No, it's inappropriate in the relevant context. We're aware now about circumstances of the possible future event. There'd be rocks. There'd be meaning...

So what's your problem? How is this not just a red herring from you? Get back on track. There'd be empirical evidence. We wouldn't be aware of it, whi...

Lolwut? Look, my argument is my evidence. Its primary tools are logic and reason, not observation or experiment. This is metaphysics, not science. I'm...

If one is false, then it must be the other. Basic logic. Do you have a real challenge?

Then it's the latter, it seems. Either the hypothetical event wouldn't necessitate empirical evidence, or it would, but we'd just be unaware of it bec...

Define "phenomena".

Either what I'm talking about is not "phenomena" or it's not true that "phenomena" necessitate empirical evidence.

Look, you either want to explore this or you don't. If you don't, just say so. You just said that this is how conversations work. If you don't care, d...

No, because you merely dismissed what I said as ridiculous. I in turn am dismissing your dismissal as ridiculous. Why am I even having to explain this...

Elaborate or we won't get anywhere. Go on then. What are you waiting for?

Why should I care? I think it's ridiculous that you think it's ridiculous. Elaborate or we won't get anywhere.

Wow. If you only meant empirical evidence, then we're back to square one in three seconds flat. That was a very fast lap. Otherwise, consider my reaso...

You specified empirical evidence. Don't backtrack. I made a reasonable argument. Consider that your evidence. And get your wording right: the argument...

If you're not suggesting something along the lines that we'd need to experience it in some way to verify whether or not there's meaning, then what are...

No, it's ridiculous that people in our contemporary stage of philosophy still go by these outdated views with similarities with logical positivism whi...

And going by empirical evidence where it's inappropriate is what I call extreme empiricism. I reject extreme empiricism because it's unreasonable.

Yeah, but they don't say it with the same gravitas.

Well, not exactly.

Okay, let's put this to the test. (Will you or will you not be shown to be a hypocrite?). I am hereby asking you not to reply to me. This is win-win f...

I'll just leave this here... :zip: (At least I'm aware of my lack of humbleness, and openly acknowledge it with self-depreciating humour).

Yeah, and perhaps pigs can fly. Maybe I should write an entire treatise on that.

There are only two ways, although really there's only one, as the other is an illusion. 1) In a nutshell, become everything it's not. 2) Trick enough ...

Well look what the cat dragged in. Big surprise that you-know-who would show his ugly mug around these parts. If this is bullshit, then he is like a f...

Indeed. :up: He seems to erroneously believe that simply calling it "a set of ink marks on some paper", and/or simply assuming his beliefs about physi...

Yes, and the problem is still nothing on my end, but rather your irrational belief that the change of circumstances results in a cessation of meaning....

So you're agreeing with me? Herbert Hoover is president if he's president. But he's obviously not. Someone else is. The word "dog" in English means th...

Okay, allow me to qualify. Taken at face value, your claim that monozygotic twins are genetically identical is a falsehood. But, given your above repl...

I didn't mean to suggest that the context necessarily is objective. But it at least makes sense to call it that, because it makes sense as an objectiv...

I will try harder to ignore you when you reply like that.

It's only relevant in a particular context, and it isn't relevant in the context I have set up. The subjective interpretation is useful in a subjectiv...

What's your point? That wasn't what I intended. I was contrasting my logic with psychologism logic to show you why it wouldn't change from beforehand ...

That's a tautology, so it's obviously true. Yes, these are more tautologies. It would be the epitome of unreasonableness to doubt them.

Oh my god, what a joke. It's just a way of wording it which is relative or conditional, and yet maintains objectivity. Meaning is relative to the lang...

It means: in this language, x means y. That's also ordinary language use, and it doesn't have the problems of idealism.

Fine, no one is forcing you to do anything you don't want to. But the problems remain. And this is not meant as an insult, but I genuinely don't belie...

That might seem okay. That might seem like it works. But then we all die, and the very moment the last person in existence dies, those rocks on Mars i...

Yeah? I bet they didn't get closed prematurely. If I didn't act like such a smartarse, it probably would've just kept going to infinity.

So you've seen, heard, and felt rocks on Mars?

No, that talks about a word. My question was about a thing. De re, not de dicto. I'm not looking for the kind of answers you're giving. I could have g...

No, we were at cross purposes with you apparently talking past me. I stuck to the original topic. You made it about something else. I tried to steer t...

Yeah right. The stench of this scandal is going to follow the Church around for a long, long time to come, even if they manage to get a grip on it. An...

Well yeah, the schadenfreude at your expense was quite satisfying, but it's odd that you got so much enjoyment out of it.

The original comment about armed societies was clearly about firearms, not any old weapon. Not slingshots, maces, dynamite, or lightsabers. So it's yo...

Oh god, no. There'd be one of those in every discussion I involved myself in. That's already an invisible signpost which follows me around. They would...

Remember this? So, beforehand, x means y. And, absent any contradiction, afterwards, x still means y. You create your own contradiction because of you...

No, I'm more sceptical than that. If it is physical, then I am not in possession of an explanation in that regard of which I'm convinced. It could be ...

The mashed is the potato? :brow: You mash a potato. You express a...? A rule! There's the potato. And there's the mashing of it. There's the rule. And...