Maybe there is. Changing whether we call it a fact or a truth, though, doesn't change my doubt. So you would say that no one disagrees, but rather the...
Cool. While I don't rule out moral facts by necessity, I remain uncertain of them in fact. I acknowledge that I may be wrong -- my belief is itself tr...
I want to focus on your second argument which you address first. (and if you're interested reading more...) I grant the analogy between mathematics an...
I still can't tell. Desire as described in Anti-Oedipus is one of the theories of desire that I have in mind, though. That intersection between Marx a...
Well, that's kind of the question :D If values are distinct from -- not identical to -- desire then it would still be possible to articulate a relatio...
In an attempt to classify the example within Epicurean desire you've driven me to the Vatican Sayings, which I haven't really braved before. Let's pre...
That's a good rendition -- better than I've provided. I feel doubt at the proposition that injustice would solve itself. Or maybe I just feel doubt in...
I've thought about it, but my thoughts aren't any deeper than what's been presented so far. The best interpretation of Epicurean justice I can muster ...
That's how we get to a conceptual place where sex can be viewed as sinful, wrong, to be cast away. As Paul said: Marriage is put towards the end of wa...
I hadn't thought of going that route, but actually this could prove quite fruitful. You reminded me of a paper I read forever ago -- Michael Levin's W...
I think so. Though there's more to the philosophy as well, he certainly has a psychology. In some ways he's obviously a psychologist as we'd think of ...
One thing about evolution is that it doesn't care about some sort of idealized end-goal -- insofar that the species manages to reproduce well enough t...
At least to my understanding, and forgive me if I'm overexplaining: The difference here would be that the neuronal processes associated with conscious...
Heh. I voted for that as the closest option, but more because of annoying meta-beliefs. I have a perspective on the world, I experience the world, may...
No objections here. The stimulation of desires that cannot be satisfied such that you keep coming back for more -- a deeper, more intense, more exciti...
We've agreed that perversion in general presupposes nature -- or at least that I can't think of another way of talking about perversion in general. An...
Sorry about that. There's a thought I want to put down and it's raw enough that I'm not aware of all the holes in my thinking, or where I'm making an ...
That is a thread-worthy question. "Nature" is one of those concepts like "Freedom" -- it seems to explain a lot, but then it seems to explain a lot fo...
Makes sense to me. And also makes sense of Marx's agreement with Hegel, the notion of the "civilizing" tendency of the nation-state, and of capitalism...
Heh. I can get along with this, but I'm anxious about relying on the concept of nature. When speaking of perversion in general I can't think of a way ...
This, in turn, has me asking the general: What is perversion? Of course it will be relative to the examples we're considering, so it's worth noting th...
One of the advantages of moral anti-realism is that you can say to yourself from the outset that none of these are true, and so the comparison must co...
Then we're in agreement on the opportunities this discussion has. :) Comparing and contrasting would help me in my understanding too. Hrrm... groundle...
Yeah I'm sure I'd not get along very well with the program either. Though I've lived in some intentional communities I did get along with, but they we...
I'm appreciating your contributions, and I thank you for having patience with my babblings. Bringing up Christian virtues in relation to Enlightenment...
On authenticity I agree. That obviously, almost by definition, cannot be mandated or forced. But to make sense of the perspective: The Epicurean commu...
I think you're right to point out the Epicurean is a natural connoisseur of perversion. How else would Epicurus be able to identify perverted desire w...
Good and interesting stuff. There's a sense of Levinas where I can see it as being as unrealistic as the Epicurean mode of life, and then there's a se...
So there's interesting points of consonance and dissonance that I perceive here between Hegel and ancient ethics, at least as we're talking about thos...
No! Not even close. I've been nervous to express myself because I feel like I'm in this in-between place: not directly involved in the conflict, but I...
I agree with the quote, though I'm guilty of suggesting otherwise. There are lines in the sand here that are not easy to navigate, though being a USia...
What is hierarchy, such that it's a necessity for all functional societies? (And notice how "functional" can beg the question -- it's a necessity for ...
Good questions! While this is surely not the whole story I think, partly, there is value to disagreement. Agreement allows us to proceed, but philosop...
I, for one, don't trust the United States government when it comes to talking about peace. It's just not what we're good at. Now war? That's what we'r...
I'd feel a lot better if the United States stopped supporting Israel. One reason the conflict continues is that one side is stronger than the other. A...
:D -- my first thought was "well, I suppose I'd have to read the book at this point, but I'm not sure I should pile yet another project on" But then t...
I've been struggling to come up with a better example. Salo was not a good experience for me, but really all I learned was a lesson I knew and I still...
That's a good point. From my perspective I love it -- I just know I've tried showing it to people and have learned that it's a movie that doesn't appe...
Were you aware that Cronenberg made a film adaptation of the book? I wasn't aware that it even was a book, but I knew of the movie because I like Cron...
Some random thoughts: I can sort of see how the cross and variables could represent various electrical components. One of the thoughts I had about re-...
I actually don't. I had the thought, but then looking at his notes and what he did that just doesn't follow. I think he's drawing on his own intuition...
The marked state. So the waveform, trying this out, looks like this on page 66 ¯¯|__|¯¯|__ and it becomes either: ¯¯¯¯|____ or ____|¯¯¯¯ And E4 is... ...
Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for me. I think at this point what would be best is for me to try and write out a synopsis of each chapter, summarizing ...
That could very well be what's going on, actually. I said "smoothed out" because the example wave being fed into E4 is a series of marked-unmarked-mar...
Heh, even reading the book I feel the same :D There are gaps in my understanding of the book, still. I can say everything up to Chapter 11 mostly make...
Heh the morning routine has worked so far, but this morning I think I have an idea about E4, but GSB really is drawing on his extensive knowledge of e...
OK it's not much, but I'm sharing something that did click this morning: Figure 1 is a graphical representation of E3, and E3 is kind of the same as E...
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