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And, yes! This is much more to my thinking with respect to "reference" at least -- at least, if it is not so affixed, if we listen to one another we c...

I'm not convinced that <chair-concept> is the object being referred to in using 'chair' -- I'd say that it's the chair being referred to, rather than ...

Nothing specialized on my end -- I'm only attempting to formulate my thoughts. I want to say that there's a difference in meaning between your opening...

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Let me rephrase because I believe that the inscrutability applies to one's own language as well, so this is a hard point to express-- to get the conce...

"gavagai" is a word without context -- I have no knowledge of the language. When someone says "gavagai" it could mean the rabbit, the time of the year...

You tempt me into the quagmire of the sign! Back, foul demon! :D What I'd commit to is the idea that though reference is inscrutable we can still comm...

Or "dinner time, whatever is near!" Just to emphasize that inscrutability falls within common sense uses.

It is -- though I'd rather take the example towards the Rossetta stone than the natives: With natives it's easy because we can communicate in other wa...

With respect to @"Arcane Sandwich", I see lots of cool places to talk. Is there a particular bit you want me to discuss? I erased a lot of thinking-ou...

In quick response to the yes/no question, yes. Will follow up w/ your link tho

:grin: I believe I'm mostly on the side of what @"Banno" and @"frank" have been saying, though -- reference is inscrutable. So with "gavagai", to use ...

True. At least, the way I'd put it, many people identify a Big Bad without identifying the opposite; and also for the Good, when I think about it. Sti...

We need the mean, but disagree upon what the mean is. Ari's "golden mean" is something of a fallacy when taken out of context -- the middle between ex...

I hear the goth rock in that song. Also a nice genre-crossing song in that it feels folk, at the same time. She has that breathy sound that goth bands...

You reminded me of The Egalitarian Dharma of Unchiyama Gudo, or Zen Anarchism Except with different emphases. Tho if we call something Axiarchism, and...

@"Arcane Sandwich" Ask and ye shall receive, knock and it shall be opened unto you https://youtu.be/mm_7oUvpMV8?si=YS-Xlr5w6Lp9pER3 https://youtu.be/G...

:up: Well now the task for me is to connect Hippie rock to METAL :D I already gave Type O Negative tho, so prolly not in this thread. Something to thi...

Just to be clear -- Motörhead sounds more metal than Coven and/or Sabbath?

Cool. This thread is more metal based so I can see a distinction there now that I think about it. I was seeing the Kraftwerk to Goth line of flight, r...

Heh I don't have your level of discrimination ;) But I love both bands, and early goth rock, and their various influences. I often think of goth music...

Yes I agree -- it's a typology invented in the moment, rather than something even close to any sort of academic exercise.

I don't think so, either, unless every masculinity is toxic -- which it may be, given patriarchy, but I don't believe it to be the case. It could beco...

I haven't walked as many paths, but it sounds like we're feeling the same.

Lots of music is, tho I wonder if you'd say the same about https://youtu.be/Yy9h2q_dr9k?si=7ByJeeIH-_gzy9zC Nope! Tho by the sound of that song it sou...

"consciousness is part of the sameness" makes a lot of sense of various phenomenological investigations -- how else could we verify if the description...

First time I've heard of this beautiful soul. He's wonderful to listen to.

I really enjoyed their interview. For myself I know that I like Type O for the many reasons people like bands -- found them in my teens and they spoke...

@"unenlightened" Has long been an excellent interlocutor for myself, for instance. I'd say we're friends in the normal sense, and phriends in the phil...

:D It fits tho right? I like the idea of phriends, at least in philosophy -- peeps you like to hear from even though you know there's something differ...

Thank you for saying so. Sartre is definitely playing goodies and baddies. At least I'd say he's playing it like the other existentialists who have no...

I feel flattered. :) I've been wondering if I'm a skeptic of some kind or other, but I don't want skepticism to be first philosophy -- and because of ...

Yes! or yes? or yes. I think I agree, though now I'm wondering if there's a difference between "I think I agree" and "I think (I agree)", but simultan...

Amazing. I didn't, but now have. Certainly! I like it for whatever reason... I think it speaks a fantasy that never was I enjoyed the song. I enjoy th...

RIP David Lynch. Eraserhead is definitely one of my favorites of his -- it's meaning is open-ended, though I've heard the interpretation which you've ...

:rofl: Yeahhh.....

Which ones, in the metal genre, do you think succeed at both? TOOL comes to mind, but also it could be a cheap trick because they never explain themse...

Bad with albums -- but this is another heavy metal song I love: https://youtu.be/in1NaS-_Cwk?si=_P1UiWLIAwOY-R63

Not album, but I love this metal cover. Also @"unenlightened" -- maybe a blasphemy, but hopefully not. https://youtu.be/xOAFUbZgSrs?si=pCVlg4tbRrfA8qd...

That's how it clicked for me -- stipulation is what makes the rigid designator true, and while maybe it could work in general i tended to think that t...

No worries, and I hope you get to feeling better soon. Also, silver lining, your example provides a good basis to think on the topic ;) "I assure you ...

I've noticed on this forum if you edit in an "@' that it will not snag the person whose been '@"-ed -- just an fyi. But I've been reading along (and o...

I have referred to your post. It's a function of the forum. To be clear I mean If I were to say something after you might be able to guess what I'm re...

Also, should say, it's been a blast going back and forth. I find it hard to articulate my own positions a lot of the time and you helped me define som...

Hrrrmm! Carlos Astrada and Bruno Latour -- I've heard the latter but never read. But that adds two names that I ought investigate to help me articulat...

Cool. I don't know 5, but it seems we do have some pretty significant differences with respect to 4, even without my knowing exactly the meaning -- ju...

It's where my mind has been drifting in reading Sartre... slow going as always. It's a transcendental argument so we can be suspicious about it immedi...

I'm a realist of some kind or other, though I have no clear idea of what that entails. I'm certainly also a skeptic of some kind or other, even if mer...

Well, there's two thoughts I have on Kant. One, I think he has a deep insight in his philosophy which is that the rational mind is more limited than w...

Some funky thoughts on the exteriority of the Other: Suppose we had this plug in our necks we could slot something into which would cause our total ex...