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Something about that doesn't seem right to me -- couldn't we reject both arguments on the basis that Could both be false? What God is identical to isn...

Thanks :) I know I explore odd things, but I hope to maintain the notion that there's a reason -- even if only philosophical -- I pursue them. It's no...

Yeah, but I don't see a real motivation to saying something crazy just to say it. I gotta know that it's true first. So I keep coming back to these va...

Heh, cool. Then I don't think I'm going down that path, and have more to learn.

What about "not-ordinary, and conservative"? Some objects are real. Check. Some objects are not-real. Check. Or "Names are weird" -- I think they real...

"The ordinary objects" for a medieval baker, or the CEO of a Chinese business in 2017?

Seems like "Some of them" is the easy way out? "Some" in a logical sense, at least. "Ordinary" seems sus

Which objects we talking about here? ;)

I have more to learn. My thinking was that the medium-independence of meaning is weird, from a metaphysical perspective, whether we accept that meanin...

I can stop anytime I want!

:up: I'll keep it in mind.

Yeah, but I want to talk about meaning and reference :D

O shit. It's more explosive than I had imagined, then. Relating this back to Quine, it reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_beard ***...

Kinda weird, though, right? Isn't it as weird as accepting that the vinyl scratches record meaning?

I prefer "names are weird" :D

I like this description of multiplicity. That's what it feels like when I think about every fact, rather than every relevant fact.

Though going back over a bit ... That I agree with. It's imputed. There needs to be a speaker and an interpreter for meaning to be/happen/whatever.

Yes. Thanks. I mean, that's the plot I'm seeing so far -- I was thinking that agreeing with the tripartite diagram furthered the "multiple ways" by ma...

I find myself surprised -- in many ways. I think the main thing I'd like to be able to distinguish is between when a person is talking about an object...

I'm certainly of the opinion that openness is the selling point for participation. I have no intent on refusing any submissions, for instance. I'm try...

My thought is the difference is mostly about structure and effort -- we make posts about an idea but they only need to be somewhat related to philosop...

Cool. Glad at least one line of flight in the thread was resolved :D

Oooff!! :D It took me a long time, but I think I'm pretty much on team-Derrida. **** I can accept the first picture over the latter. "The signified", ...

Fair. Would you at least go so far as to say that PI 1 highlights a common error, or do you think it's erroneous entirely? The "meaning coming with si...

More or less -- Saussure was wrong, and Derrida was right. ;) Or we can go down the Quine to Davidson path... all roads lead to Rome, as they say.

My thinking here is that after we get things done in a group we continue to be able to speak. And also -- yeah, the treatment of language as a noun is...

Yup.

Sweet, thanks. I recognize how odd my conclusions are, and so sometimes wonder if I'm just barmy .... :D

My thought is that we don't know how signs signify, or even if "signs" is the correct signification for understanding reference, or language. "Sign", ...

Explicitly speaking -- I've at least separated what I believe from what I believe Quine and Davidson to be saying, but only if I focus on the two sent...

Probably my fault -- in responding and thinking I've been hopping between what I think and what Quine thinks. I have some radical conclusions that I'm...

Thanks for posting this -- I was beginning to wonder if I'm entirely wrong and I believe that this is basically what I've been arguing for.

What's blasphemous about it? Is it because they're admitting their desires are erotic and pleasure-chasing?

Guilty as charged.

What matters.

We experience phenomena. We cannot know the noumena. But since we experience cause -- causation is one of the Categories which organize experience -- ...

I think I can follow along with this, though I'd add a temporal dimension -- so that every word ever said is always different from moment to moment. I...

Yes, and yes! I don't think perception necessitates language -- I do think language effects perception such that a linguistic separation is suspect, a...

It's the hashtag that won me over.

I prefer the second rendition.

This isn't in response to the rest of your post, just the first question that popped to mind -- I had that thought, but suppose we allow negation. The...

@"Arcane Sandwich" -- you have thoughts on Miles Davis' Bitches Brew album? That was the first one that popped to mind when reading @"Jamal" in descri...

Though here's the bit where I think I'd disagree with Quine -- I like the idea of a web of beliefs, but I'm not sure they really affix reference, eith...

There's a bootstrap problem involved in the sense that we can definitely tell when something does not speak (a stone) and obviously tell when somethin...

I'm not so sure we must have universals for a claim to be false. If Truman's hair were black then "Truman's hair is blonde" would be false, for instan...

I feel like this song was composed with the intent to annoy the listener.

The focus on reference as a gateway to meaning or communication is kind of the target that I have in mind here -- if reference is affixed in a particu...

The three dogs are you, me, and the pooch. I'd call you a sly dog in order to demonstrate that "dog"'s referrent isn't fixed by convention, but by our...

I'm going to start with the bon motte and then move to a dry explanation. The only way that "the dog" refers in this conversation is if it one of the ...

I think this is close -- but there's one thing added. Not only can it not be fully and exhaustively explained, it most certainly cannot be explained b...