the affirmation of strife

@"Zoldy" Quines are cool, I didn't know about their application in satellites! Another thing I remembered is that the self-referential paradox known a...

That's a fun phrase. BTW thanks for putting that list of articles on your profile, the couple I've read were very interesting.

So I've watched the video and had a bit of a look around and now this thread seems to be mostly people arguing past each other (including my first pos...

It's true, he does get a bit too excited with bashing other ideas. Underneath that, I interpret that he does not actually condemn wholesale all that m...

Also, last time when I looked up Stevens I mistyped it as Stevenson, and so I stumbled on this variation of "carpe diem" (more focus on "play" rather ...

POV: You are a graduate student.

So, I was shifting some files around and found some Swinburne poems that I had saved. Not as subtle as some, but he's good at what he does, which is a...

Not sure about sign of strength, and as you quoted I hardly see my comment as the best opposition. I was responding mostly to the OP and what I quickl...

Good to see all the smart people have clarified iteration vs recursion. I probably did muddle them a bit in my earlier posts, sorry fo that. I think t...

I didn't read the article thoroughly but I'm struggling to see the utility of the "dark room" model being discussed. As far as I can tell, this is sup...

Not really like that. I'm not the best person for the job but I'll give it a shot: The weird part about entropy is that it always increases. Decreasin...

Well, I kinda blurted mine out over here, even though this could have been a better thread for it. Oops.

I see, you are looking for examples of subtle vicious circles. I might have one for you, although I'm not sure how "dangerous" it is in practice. Defi...

Hey, so this got way out of hand. I hope you'll forgive my brain spew. I think I am slowly getting out of exactly the same mindset expressed in the OP...

I'm not brave enough to answer the title with any definitives, but my hunch is "no". To me, it seems like there are quite a few misconceptions in your...

I wonder if my above example works for this. You didn't really gain any new revelations from reading it, right? You just "percieved" that Steve was de...

I wonder if they have the same reaction to division by zero. After all it is just as "dangerous" (undefined vs contradictory, both impossible to execu...

If only he could share with me what they were. :smile: For the sake of argument, let us assume this laughing deity exists. Did He create the world int...

The analogy is contrived, I agree. I've lost the circularity aspect for one. We start with consistent premises and get contradictory predictions (I fe...

As I'm joining the Kahneman bandwagon on this, I feel it's only fair to give a taste of the limits of intuition: As others here have said, it quickly ...

Response to OP. Objection 1 brings a lot of baggage with the words "innate" and "faculty". For example, I do not think the assumption to be that far o...

Ah yes, the elephant in the room. I finally had time to read a little bit about that debate. It now seems silly that I have not read Wittgenstein befo...

I think think the fascination with self-referential paradoxes specifically comes from their use as a way to refute arguments, especially in epistemolo...

I tend to agree. My very uninformed first impression is that it could have some implications for certain normativist viewpoints but as I say I'm not r...

So, it looks like the value of the liar's paradox or Russel's paradox etc. comes from the insight into how we can or can not formulate truth. The auth...

Well, I was just responding to say that your question didn't make sense to me. Humans can use whatever grammar they like, so I'm not sure what you are...

Forgive the mathematics, I want to relay (again from that book) what the authors think of as a useful consequence of self-reference in logic. Consider...

There is no "person" AFAIK these are called "demonstratives" or something like that.

"This" is not second person. Your other point is about incomplete information, which is indeed the first hurdle for most "silly" kinds of self-referen...

I'm just flipping through the book a bit. I realise it's not the kind of thing people would buy just for the sake of an online discussion, so that's w...

An example from linguistics (Chapter 4.4). The authors talk about how the following sentences are well-posed: Whereas this variant involves a "vicious...

From chapter 4 of that book (Circularity in Philosophy): Seems like a different approach to that dictum than the usual, ontological one.

You're probably asking about philosophy, and I can't really help there. However, as someone who knows a bit of programming and mathematics, self-refer...

It's been a while since my QM classes and I've moved on to bigger things now. Still, there are lots of resources out there by smarter people about QM ...

A little gem from r/Efilism's "newcomers start here" page/FAQ: OK maybe that was a bit low, and I'm not sure why I even looked them up. As @"Ciceronia...

I'm late to the party (anti-party?) so as regards the initial post I'll just say that my thoughts are broadly aligned with those of DingoJones and oth...

Sure, but I read the OP as questioning how much we should doubt. Maybe that's too much interpretation.

I get the feeling that the discussion here got quite diffuse fairly quickly. Maybe because it's the kind of title that invites a lot of interpretation...

Some very rough impressions: - You get to "free choice" etc. by saying "an agent ...", but what is an agent? How can that be defined in the case of "s...

@"TheMadFool" Yeah, it's a bit of a language issue. I agree we usually define "thinking" as involving a "doer", and that is probably the most practica...

@"TheMadFool" Again Nietzsche (BGE, 16), I couldn't resist: I think that's what @"Banno" is getting at. It's a bit of a rabbit hole, and might not be ...

@"Michael Zwingli" I agree (having been raised Catholic). I'll need to go and read the Zapffe essay but so far I think my interest in philosophy comes...

@"TheMadFool" You might be onto something there. "We must imagine sisyphus happy" always struck me as a bit abrupt, and it's even harder if, at some p...

I recently began thinking about it a bit like this: Both "injustice" and "suffering" (in my mind somewhat decoupled, I might elaborate once I've organ...

@"TheMadFool" Hopefully I don't derail this too much, here goes: I'll bite: - Suffering impedes judgement. Does it impede or does it shape judgement t...

@"Ciceronianus" I see you like Stevens, have you read "Sunday Morning"? I wonder what you think of it. I'm just stumbling into philosophy here, so I'm...