Yes, "'P' is true iff P" (the classic example is "'Snow is white' is true iff snow is white") is the standard deflationary formulation. I linked the S...
Ah, poor Sam. Yes, I've studied logic; intro to deductive logic was a prerequisite for a major in philosophy, and having some personal interest in the...
No, its the deflationary view of truth (i.e. "snow is white" is true iff snow is white), to which Wittgenstein's later views (i.e. post-Tractatus) are...
"I've never been to the moon" is a meaningful assertion, we all understand what the moon is, and what I am asserting/denying when I say this. "I have ...
Moreover, the claim that they are not propositions directly contradicts Wittgenstein, who refers to them as "propositions" throughout OC. Maybe Sam do...
I was agreeing with praxis. I'm pretty sure agreeing with someone is allowed by the forum guidelines. I never said any person in this thread did. But ...
I'm not "spinning your argument", your argument was unclear. But if by "arriving at truth" you meant justification, then the argument is just nakedly ...
Well but that shipwrecks the above argument, since you argue that since knowledge is about truth, W's attack on Moore's claim to know is an attack on ...
Or about justification claims. Truth is only one aspect of knowledge claims, there is also justification. To claim to know some P isn't only to claim ...
There was also the Trump administration's gag orders on scientists at the EPA. Like, actual censorship. But then they turn around and cry "cancel cult...
"Imaginary" :lol: I was replying to praxis, who appears to be an actual person actually writing in this actual thread. So, nice try, I guess? Better l...
Yep this is it, exactly. Its only cancel culture when you disagree with it; the right (i.e. the most vocal whiners about "cancel culture") is perfectl...
We've clearly had a miscommunication or misunderstanding here, I wasn't saying it was unclear. You had said that "the question is whether all hinges s...
That wasn't the question I was addressing in the post you quoted, which was my point. The question was whether hinge propositions are truth-apt, to wh...
As is a belief. Which makes me wonder what motivates this denial that they are truth-apt, particularly since no one seems to be able to give a coheren...
(and again, its just absurd on its face that they are not truth-apt, as if there is no truth-value to the proposition "here is a hand"- of course ther...
Sure, in most contexts, its not necessarily the most helpful way to analyze them, and I think Banno was right when he remarked that the phrase "hinge ...
:up: Exactly, good analogy. Its absurd to think that there is no fact of the matter as to whether there is a hand here, or whether I've spent my life ...
:lol: okay now if this isn't the Platonic Form of Pot-Calling-the-Kettle-Black. Sorry man, I didn't realize you were such a diehard religious crank, s...
Having a truth-value is an essential, characteristic trait of propositions. Just as having three sides is an essential, characteristic trait of triang...
I think you'll find that most atheists (at least those of a philosophical persuasion) are perfectly fine with that, and aren't claiming anything stron...
Yeah... you may have noticed that I have a hard time walking away from conversations, even when they aren't productive. Time to sign off now though, I...
Well, no, they need to differ in some way. But if they are propositions, then having a truth-value is not where they can differ, because having a trut...
No, not necessarily; this is either an extremely outdated categorization, or a gross oversimplification. Quine was a realist wrt abstract objects, but...
Oh dear, did he really call Ehrman an "anti-Christian activist"? :lol: I didn't realize quite the level of religious crank we were dealing with here. ...
Asked and answered- If you can't even read the posts you're responding to, why should I waste the time extending you a courtesy you're unwilling to ex...
:up: Exactly. If we have good reasons for disbelieving in the existence of an entity with properties distinctive of theism as such/shared by many spec...
The name of the group? I don't know that they had a name, or that it was anything more than a few jam sessions- his particular area of interest was th...
Nice catch. It was such a naked ad hominem that I didn't even bother chasing down the quote. And in any case, Daniel Wallace and Bart Ehrman are in ag...
No, I never said that being hung from a tree is cursed... only that the Jewish scriptures say so. Accepting that the scriptures say something obviousl...
yeah, and silly me for thinking that posting the SEP article on propositions would help clarify things... :yikes: not what I expected, but live and le...
Its sort of a trainwreck of non-sequiturs, and in this post you've simply reiterated things that I already addressed in my last post, as if you didn't...
Heh, this explains a lot. Should probably have saved myself the trouble. Oh well, maybe someone else will take something from this conversation even i...
Who needs critical scholarship when we can just uncritically accept religious narratives? Because critical scholars weren't there, we should just trus...
Yeah, reading Luke's latest post, I'm afraid this is a bit of a lost cause (and it goes without saying that talking to MU about Wittgenstein is an exe...
He very probably was, as scholars like Ehrman have persuasively argued. The Joseph of Arimathea story is very probably a later- and non-historical- ad...
Heh, hardly; I'm not the one deliberately misconstruing reasoned criticism or disagreement (criticism that went without rebuttal, I might add) as "rea...
I suppose that would depend on the crime. It was still a disgraceful way to die- left to rot and then thrown in a mass unmarked grave. And it was also...
Yeah that is interesting. But I do wonder about the degree to which such influence and culture would have spread to rural areas, like where Jesus grew...
I mean, it sort of is: in the OT, the literal translation of the word "messiah" is "anointed one", and refers to the kings of Israel, who were anointe...
As Gnomon just admitted, he doesn't care what is true, he's going to represent the things people have said to him as he sees fit, even if that involve...
In other words, you're going to ignore the things people actually say to you, and continue to lie/misconstrue about those responses- good to know... s...
Yeah I've heard this suggestion before, that Jesus was involved with the Pharisees. Its certainly plausible and has some merit, the problem is the lac...
In every single post you've made, you've explicitly told us the reactions you wish you were receiving: outrage, feeling threatened, being reactionary,...
No, not the lacking a truth-value part. There are no propositions that lack a truth-value, any more than there are triangles that lack three sides. Bu...
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