Leontiskos: I haven't forgot about your original response: I will respond later to it, as I don't have enough time right now. I just wanted to clarify...
Again, my whole view hinges, in this case, on whether one can save the millions without committing anything immoral; and, to keep things simple, this ...
Firstly, my argument, which has been refined quite a bit with the help of @"Leontiskos", does not hinge on a principle of “never treat a person as a m...
Fair enough. It is an ideal insofar as it is an idea about how reality should be. When one takes on a purpose, they are implicitly conceding that they...
Correct. If they know that they are going to kill an innocent person by intentionally killing hitler; then they are intentionally killing that innocen...
You have a lot of good points, but I am, to be honest, losing track of the course of this conversation. So I am going to take your advice and wipe the...
Which would be clearly false under my view, because them killing someone is not an inaction. No it is not: letting someone die is not an intentional k...
I apologize: I must have misunderstood what you said then. It sounded like you were considering them both actions. Either way, the issue, as will be e...
This post is pretty up-to-date on my ethics (although I have sublated it a bit since then). Let me know if you have any questions or would like to dis...
I meant in the sense of what morally grounds it. Being the highest moral good, it is the ultimate good which everything else is assessed under. Of cou...
It is morally significant if one accepts that they cannot commit immoral acts to avoid bad or produce good outcomes. If one agrees that it is immoral ...
Ok, good points. By “means”, I mean “a necessary utility expended to produce an desired outcome”. By “intention”, I mean “a purposeful or deliberate c...
CC: @"Herg" I already explicated this in my response: Q is not intended if Q is not a means towards P and P was intended. No. I explicitly stated in m...
This is correct insofar as it applies to beings of a rational kind. I would say the immediate underpinning is that beings of a rational kind have righ...
CC: @"Herg" By “intention”, I just mean a “deliberate” or “purposeful” course of action; and I don’t know how else to explain it than that. An intenti...
This is changing the scenario: that’s not a valid option for the person pulling the lever. They either pull the lever, thereby sacrificing one to save...
I am glad we can at least agree on the full consequences of your view (: I think I see a bit of the confusion and mistakes on my end; so let me explic...
No worries at all. Correct. I am assuming you disagree: the fact they are swerving to avoid other people, although they are still intending to run ove...
I see! I agree that being moral is a choice; but being a moral agent, which is a choice, entails that one has, upon choosing to be such, moral respons...
I don't believe in fate; and I am not following how that relates to the trolley problem. My position is simple: it is immoral to kill an innocent huma...
Yes, if by “he cannot avoid causing deaths” you mean his actions. If he has to either (1) kill 2 innocent people or (2) 4 innocent people; then I agre...
Walk away. I cannot sacrifice innocent human beings to save other innocent human beings: the consequences are not what dictates what is right or wrong...
I agree they aren’t the same; but I brought it up to counter your view that: “It seems very straightforward to me that in a scenario where either ever...
See that's the problem: there aren't any congregations for people who think deeply but don't subscribe to a mainstream religion...or at least none tha...
The biggest problem with consequentialism I have is that it rests on a false assumption of how moral responsibility works. Not sure how deep you want ...
That’s fine. If you aren’t convinced, then suspend judgment. For me, I am convinced. Hmmm. Ok. Imagine a serial killer has 12 people in their basement...
It was an analogy, and perfectly sound. This rests on a false understanding of moral responsibility; that most consequentialists have. It absolutely i...
:up: I would still like to strive towards finding my soulmate, although I agree it is very unlikely, while maintaining an open-mind to those who may n...
This is, indeed, a difference; but I don’t think it is a relevant difference. Let’s amend the trolley problem: imagine you are the train operator...do...
Let me clarify, as I may have said differently before: the pilot wouldn’t let go of the steering wheel but, rather, would keep flying as best they can...
Lol. Maybe. I do agree that not mentioning philosophy is better at attracting women. I am pretty sure philosophizing is a turn-off for the vast majori...
That’s fine. I just think this indicates that your ethical view isn’t fully fleshed out; and you will have to hierarchically adjust your moral princip...
If one diverts a track to save 5 people knowing 1 person will die as a result of it (that wouldn’t have otherwise), then they are intending to sacrifi...
Yes, but this does not permit them to sacrifice innocent people to fulfill such duty. This is a really good example, that tripped me up a bit (: First...
This is a difference, no doubt; but not a relevant difference (to me). If one amends the trolley example such that the person who decides whether to p...
Are you saying it is absolutely right to save the human race, and absolutely right not to sacrifice an innocent person; and that sometimes they are in...
I would say both are important. Not everything one does to themselves is morally permissible (in virtue of ‘self-agency’). Not necessarily. I would ha...
Correct. I cannot commit an immoral act to avoid a morally bad outcome. Letting them die, is morally ommissible because I cannot save them without doi...
(CC: @@"Fire Ologist" To me, the principle of Double Effect rests on a vague and (typically) biased distinction between intending to do something and ...
Good question! Voluntarily choosing to die is morally permissible because it is voluntary. In the case of myself, I cannot involuntarily force myself ...
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