Apollodorus

And, above all, he does never doubt himself. That would seem to be a reasonable assumption.

That would depend on what you mean by "true". Most things in everyday life we tend to take for granted without worrying too much about the "truth" of ...

That would depend on the person. My main point was to show that deceptive appearances exist and that their cumulative effect may be to lead someone to...

Well, even "directly obvious" things may become less obvious on investigation and "intuition" is not always accurate. Proof and philosophical reasonin...

If humanity does end, then there isn't going to be anyone around to worry about it. If it does not end and it is severely diminished, that isn't neces...

I take it that by "contribute" you mean agree with you and your theories?

Don't you know, he's got "the degrees" to show that everything he says is right: He probably has the degrees for Socrates and everything else too. So,...

In politics, in personal relationships, and many other areas. You may buy something made in China that appears to be great only to later find that thi...

I believe that myths can be beautiful and powerful in their simplicity, in the way they convey important truths in metaphorical imagery, and in the wa...

There is no reason why I should disagree with any of it. In fact, I have been saying that myself. There was a general movement from the concrete to th...

I don't think we should read too much into that. The principal purpose of Platonic dialogues is to encourage critical thought leading to rational conc...

Not always. Philosophical inquiry can perfectly well come from the realization that appearances can be deceptive. A greater power of observation and a...

Good luck then.

Perhaps in theory, but evidently not in practice. "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" is probably an apt description of him. But, as Frank says, h...

Not even as a student. All he's got to offer is a big chip on his shoulder. Doesn't understand Greek, uses fake "translations", leaves out inconvenien...

Well, then, if Plato and his immediate disciples would think of "forms" on coming across words like eidos, idea and paradeigma, etc., in the Euthyphro...

I don't dispute that.

I think the point I was making was very easy to understand and entirely reasonable. If Plato and his disciples were to read the Euthyphro, would they,...

Correct. But even in those cultures where spiritual wisdom and laws were transmitted orally, the knowledge in question was accessible to a limited num...

The fact is that terms like idea (“idea”), eidos (“form”), auto to (“(thing) in itself”), paradeigma (“pattern”), etc., occur time and again in Plato’...

And your point is what exactly? 1. The point that Euthyphro may represent an early form of the Theory of Forms has been made for many years in academi...

There is no point talking to Fooloso4 because as I said from the start and as has become more than obvious since, he's got a very specific political a...

Your suspicion is absolutely correct and has been discussed by Louis Mix in ?? ?? ????? in the Meno and Euthyphro” (1970) and others. This is a very i...

I've already addressed that, but it seems you never pay attention.

Funny that you keep doing it yourself all the time. I don't know why Banno thought it was a good idea to choose you for this thread, to be honest.

Yep. That's why he's been choosing his words carefully and constantly distracting people's attention with nonsensical pronouncements about Abrahamic r...

Right. It's monotheism again. So, what you are saying is that you are unwilling or unable to focus on Plato's text. Anyway, here are the facts of the ...

However, that doesn't prove that piety per se is bad or that the Gods don't love piety as you claim. So it is a strawman.

Yes, but that doesn't say anything about true piety and the truly pious.

Perhaps Banno is just upset that his plan, for which he hired Fooloso4, hasn't quite worked out as planned.

Correct. Most murders seem to be motivated by personal conflicts. Nothing to do with religion whatsoever. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-deaths-us...

And it seems so does the thread.

In that case they probably aren't pious by the dictionary definition I provided. But putting a 21st-century spin on a work by Plato isn't exactly a so...

Wrong. I do care. I do my best to save energy, recycle stuff, don't smoke, etc. And I vote for politicians I think are serious about finding real solu...

I said "most of us have a pretty accurate conception of what constitutes right and wrong" in terms of our personal conduct in society. I haven't studi...

That's why you can't prove your point and why it's pointless to try especially since many have tried before you and failed.

He did make them, but he gives humans the freedom to use them as they think best. And some humans get it wrong. Most of us though, have a pretty accur...

If there is no definition of terms from the start, then there will be confusion and no debate, for sure. That's why I said that the terms involved may...

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Wrong. I said "good", not "omnibenevolent": That's why I said it is a fallacy to appeal to Abrahamic religions when discussing a work by Plato.

Correct. God is good, but the way or ways in which he manifests his goodness in relation to humans is subject to his own free will, not to human wishe...

That's just one of the things that @Fooloso4 fails to grasp and yet he is trying to teach us. I think it is obvious that he is unable to establish his...

That's fine by me. Until next time.

I'm not disputing that. I just think @Fooloso4 is making a terrible job of it and he should let someone else do it or just give up on the project and ...

Correct. Either Fooloso4 thinks we are stupid or else he's got some psychological or neurological issues that prevent him from realizing the logical i...

They may well be, but that is not the point. If he wants to ridicule Abrahamic religions then he can rename the thread "Fooloso4's rant against Abraha...

You keep repeating yourself to no avail. The pious (to hosion) is, by definition, what is sanctioned by the Gods. Even you should be able to see that ...

Why are you bringing Jesus and other Abrahamic religions into a discussion of a work by Plato?

More like deliberate obfuscation and smoke-and-mirrors tactics. Nothing new there.

Sure. The Gods are under no obligation to love you back. However, the central issue is not the lover of God but the pious, i.e., piety - literally "th...