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Anaxarchus is new to me. I wish more of his work had been saved. IMO, the thinkers we're talking about had very 'modern'/sophisticated views, as in we...

To me that just means (in a good way) myth and poetry taken as myth and poetry, that gestures unpretentiously at 'just feeling' and not 'knowledge' th...

That may be the case for some 'mystical' experiences, and I'm familiar with that view, but personally my experiences (two of the brightest) were like ...

Cool links. I like Democritus, Epicurus, Epictetus, Pyrrho, others. I don't know enough to argue for which influence is stronger. For me the main thin...

Dude, I'm linking you to public examples. A critical thinker might prefer that to some anonymous claim on a forum. I'm not making an inference but sim...

Here's another example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_philosophy both philosophies argue against assenting to any dogmatic assertions about an...

Even that's a little prejudicial in favor of armchair science, though, in favor of disembodied thought, mere talking, as if we weren't perhaps primari...

I'm no expert on the Eastern stuff but I've dabbled and read some stuff I liked and respected. I found them to be universal. Eastern thought has been ...

I can remember one peak experience in particular (on drugs , yes, with the closest friends I could have hoped for) and it was terror that turned into ...

Let's talk about the interpersonal aspect, peer to peer. Do I talk the other as an outsider who needs my secret? Or do I see the other as already esse...

Saying that Western philosophy just is philosophy-in-general is misleading and perhaps arrogant or self-flattering. If you are just making the point (...

Why can't a plumber philosophize?

http://writing.upenn.edu/library/Tzara_Dada-Manifesto_1918.pdf

IMV, it's all oversimplification which is (partially) false, incomplete, and vague (just like this very statement.) context

. :up: I don't know what the 'physical' is (beyond hoisting the word into this or that context) or even what exactly this 'reality' thing is supposed ...

I like to think of a metaphor that gives life to the formalism.But 'if metaphysics is metaphorical than metaphor is metaphysical.'

:up: Keep showing up for the jazz, forgive as you would be forgiven.

:up: Exactly. A string of wounds, a necklace of ideologies.

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Let's say that you realize that a final, perfect system doesn't even make sense. Let's say that there's no particular finite set of utterances that ca...

How about soft, fuzzy truths that we're never done clarifying?

That's a fun sentence.

'Rules' is just a metaphor to be interpreted in context. In general the 'rules' are not explicit.(We may agree more than you think.) I see meaning out...

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I agree. Our sci-fi shows that we're no longer in an optimistic age. It's a mixture of dread and hope. I've been watching Terminator: The Sarah Connor...

Definitely. My formal education is in STEM and now I know how stupid I am in a new way, how little I know relative to what the species as a whole know...

By song I just meant me being able to make peace with dying in sin, saying yes to the mess. I don't want to front like I'm always doing so well, that ...

I think there's something profound in our anonymous situation. I do talk irl about this stuff when I can (not often these days), but here there's a co...

There's an art of leaving just enough in the stains for other maniacs to decipher. Or I mean that's just some crazy shit a friend of mine said to me o...

Just to be clear, I think there's an esoteric element in lots of good philosophy. Take the bottle and the flies. It's one thing to let this metaphor w...

I found him fascinating once but was eventually put off by certain contradictions. That's how complicated this game can get. There's always a cave or ...

I'm with you very much on that, the ideology of science, the sloppy and absurd attempts to claim it and use it without respecting its 'spirit.' Beyond...

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This is another great issue. I think people believe in 'Science' (as featured on bumperstickers and yardsigns) also because the Good people do (politi...

Both Witt and Nietzsche were pioneers, ahead of their time, probably used to being misunderstood. I find it plausible that the times caught up with th...

I think I relate & agree here. I tend to blend the prestige issue with the demarcation issue. I think ordinary people care about science because of it...

I think the main obstacle to 'getting' Wittgenstein (from my POV, of course) is an emotional attachment to metaphysics and/or religion. Folks don't wa...

:up: I think it's also fair to say that some groups are formed in the first place as a reaction against mainstream views. A 'godless' 'scientific' 'ma...

Right. I'd say that we do (the 'educated' in 2021) while humans in the past and some even now dance for the gods to make it rain or trust prayer handk...

I basically agree with you here. I'd say that 'rational' roughly refers to the 'universal' inner circle, which connects to political freedom, especial...

I think there are tools that work on people (drugs) whether on not those people believe in them or not, but I agree. I'm not arguing for scientism. Ov...

I think there have been major overhauls, so the reason I'm not doom & gloom is because I think we can keep adapting with new major overhauls. I think ...

I like the spirit of it, but did you notice: Here are some other views (or leads/samples you might find interesting.) http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/w...

I'm confident that you mostly learned language just by hanging around. Pronouncing words correctly is not even explicitly taught. It's not a group of ...

:up: Just curious, but is there anything you like in him? And what do you loathe? I can guess to some degree from "decadent bourgeois," but more detai...

I mentioned feeling being made central to religion for some thinkers without a concrete reference. I dug up one in case you are interested. https://pl...

Thank you, and guilty (almost) as charged. I confess that I've updated (fixed) Hegel here with the help of later thinkers. I know Spinoza so far only ...

Thank you.

My two suggestions are that cognition is largely metaphorical and that rationality is not strictly defined. Philosophers often propose definitions for...

I can make sense of this as 'pure' science only predicting and not intervening. I like the distinction, but I think pure science would be trapped at a...