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Ah, but can it?

Yes indeed. I think we see this from white supremacists, motte-and-bailey not so much as a fallacy but as a long-term strategy. @"fdrake" talked about...

It’s a little known fact that Prince Edward has six legs, enjoys dark and humid conditions, and occasionally consumes his own fecal pellets. Unpopular...

They were also made of chocolate and cheese and had noisy wooden birds that sprung out of their faces on the hour, every hour.

In Hegelian fashion I’ll say it was both at the same time.

Incidentally, they had no interest in or knowledge of watchmaking or the history of watches. I suppose they were just the ungrateful brats of the fami...

I definitely see that difference. EDIT: it’s aristocratic (Aston) vs bourgeois (Mercedes)

This must be the medium rich. The rich rich exist in a cucoon of private air-conditioned interiors, underground car parks, gyms, and luxury cars. I sp...

You need more practice. What you should’ve said is “thank you very much and go fuck yourself.” Anyway, you’re welcome and fuck you too.

You’re a natural Hegelian.

Whereas I’ll have both. Macaroni and gruyere. Caviar pizza. Foie gras and fries. Otherwise, maybe you have dodged the prongs of the dilemma.

I unironically agree with you. Creative banter is the substance of the Shoutbox. Every witty retort is a brick in this glorious temple of tomfoolery. ...

I’d like to make three points. 1. Asceticism I was raised in a vaguely Calvinist milieu. My grandparents disapproved of luxury, fun, and freedom. The ...

Keep em coming Clarko. :up:

Good old Fred.

I hope all the other Shoutboxians listen to that, because it’s quite helpful. It’s like some sort of ultra-Scottish, or the Platonic ideal of Scottish...

Since @"T Clark" apparently hates phonetics, preferring to argue pointlessly over central Asian geography specifically with respect to the domesticati...

Finally got around to listening to your mellifluous babbling. Great accent, colourful and folksy. That I will grant you. But you got “dance” wrong: Sc...

I realized that until today I’ve been using the phrase “strong claim” to describe the bold, unsafe claim, i.e., the bailey, when in fact the bailey is...

I don’t even have to go looking for it; I’m seeing it everywhere now.

Pretty sure I’ve been there a few times. Certainly. In terms of form, content, and context, M&B is maybe fallacious in its context, because of the way...

No objections. So what you’re saying is, in the legal example it’s not a fallacy so much as a strategy to win, but at the same time, logic remains rel...

Nice example. My observation is that in a debate, if the strong claim—the claim that (A) wants to prevail—fails, then retreating to a more defensible ...

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Because antinatalism is the same as the sexual enjoyment of coprophagia. In many societies there’s going to be a few people who are into it.

Your entire reply is preposterous, performatively contradicting your stated ideal debating behaviour of “high-minded participants.”

But still, “men make their own history”. We couldn’t even do that without being thrown into a world to begin with. Choosing doesn’t apply to when and ...

Speaking as someone who has moved from roughly the position of @"Mikie" and @"Pantagruel" to a much less trans-sceptical position, I can attest to thi...

Uncle Karl, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (chapter 1)

This video illustrates the difference within England quite well: https://youtu.be/PSRSSf_I1XM And that's just within England. I think the Welsh and Sc...

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I can’t play that file.

A: How do you pronounce “dance” B: I pronounce it “dance” :chin:

I’m interested in both the abstract and the concrete, and how they relate. So the answer is something like: the latter, and both, because we can only ...

There’s a tension here, don’t you think? But maybe it’s like the problem of democracy: do we extend democratic rights to radical anti-democrats, e.g.,...

I’m excited.

Good luck.

Only the English, and only some of the English.

Agreed. I’m done here.

Very nice and probably in harmony with what @"apokrisis" was saying.

Please just take it to the Lounge. That’s all I’m asking. I’m not answering your entirely predictable and silly questions directly.

That’s interesting. Do you mean that the actual occurrence of the fallacy is a means, within the debate, of finding a bridge; or do you mean that an a...

Thanks, I didn’t know that.

You’re right, and it seems I’d rather be impregnable and pompous than pregnable and unpompous.

Great question.

Take this gibberish to the Lounge please. The dignity of the Shoutbox demands it.

My position seems to be impregnable. Feel free to attempt a refutation. Otherwise, parking lot.

Cool. But since today’s nation-states didn’t exist when horses were invented, isn’t it better to say that horses were invented in, say, the Eurasian s...

The simple way of explaining what’s wrong with that otherwise brilliant comic strip is that in the Hegelian dialectic you don’t oppose the cat with so...