Jamal

:up: And what it gets us, to use Moyal-Sharrock's words, is "objectivity without absolutism." (But maybe you prefer not to bring in objective/subjecti...

Then there's the thorny question of what you mean by "dinner". In Britain it can mean the evening meal or just the main meal, which can be at lunchtim...

Yeah, I read some Dewey once and found it incredibly boring and didn't finish it. It's a shame because some of his ideas seem very congenial to me.

I agree, although it seems to me that a critic would say that relativism does straightforwardly entail contingency. But I suppose there are shades of ...

Plus aliens.

Yes, but (a) I've often used it in other countries; and (b) it's not just me—most other people in Britain do too.

I know that. I wasn't arguing against you. It was an interesting quote so I grappled with it. I now agree with him.

In Britain, where "whinge" is commonly used, I don't think it has any hint of legitimacy. In fact whinging is if anything worse, more annoying, more s...

LND lecture 6 This was a fun one. I had to do a breakdown to make sense of it. For now, I'll just post it and leave it at that, before coming back to ...

For the record, that was a definition I was going to offer but which I now disagree with, roughly for the reason you give. Which is to say, I sort of ...

Yes, I throw my hands up and pussyfoot towards the kitchen.

Suits me :smile: Good stuff, thank you for filling in the Hegelian background. I noticed in one of Adorno's essays on Hegel (Hegel: Three Studies) tha...

LND Lecture 5 I might not say much about this lecture, because it feels like a digression in which Adorno is answering the letter he received about Ma...

I don't know, but I prefer yours. If only you'd got the horizon straight and had managed to take up more of the frame with the roofs, and had opened t...

It's a compliment in my book. I'm trying to tie play, silliness, and therefore clowning and foolishness, into my philosophy.

Fair point, don't know about the examples. Decorators probably do consider it. But I recognize the creative impulse as artistic even when nobody will ...

I confess I'd hoped to garner some comments congratulating me for my intellectual honesty and willingness to think again.

Yes, Hanover is the TPF clown.

I’ll try one answer to see if it works. Either the pre-condition of intention or the post-condition of reception is required. So it’s art if he meant ...

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I now see you might have a contrast in mind between political and spiritual. I think Adorno would say the latter follows.

Yes indeed, and I've just read a lecture of his in which he makes this point: theory and practice are not mutually exclusive, and thought is practical...

It's a weird thing to me still, because I used to always separate the two in my mind, and it's amazing to see how Adorno, for example, connects the mo...

Pretty much, but there's a sense---and this is probably a gross caricature---in which he retained the Marxian view that philosophy will be solved in a...

You almost remind me of Adorno himself, in that you see everything as ideological :wink: But the answer is: not quite. There is room for social scienc...

The trouble is that even when the philosophy is about the big picture, the concepts and arguments being used have to be analyzed in detail. What exact...

@"T Clark" @"Hanover" I've changed my mind. I was going to tentatively offer an actual definition of art: art is creativity directed to the production...

Yep. But practice changes too. I wonder if one of the criticisms of psychologism works against this Wittgensteinian view as much as it does against ps...

Yeah, I'm sort of sympathetic to that. An overlapping point is the historical and geographical specificity of the idea of the artwork, as an unrepeata...

You first! By the way, I said the music was tiresome, not the lyrics. Be that as it may be, I would prefer if you did not use the phrase "such is so" ...

Sometimes I don't really know what I think till I bounce stuff other people. Also I've learned to be suspicious of opinions of mine that feel like a c...

I don't know why everyone is accusing me of trying to define art. It wounds me, since I did no such thing. It was designed and built by people (we can...

I liked some of the words but the music grew tiresome very fast. But I don't accept your analogy. But that means I'll need to come up with a praxeolog...

Is it art if it’s made by a computer?

A short poem will suffice.

It goes without saying that you find a philosopher whose ideas you approve of agreeable. I find Adorno agreeable. That’s just a starting point. TPF is...

Sure, but I was just saying I think cave paintings are art and were not also craft. But Collingwood was no dummy so I’d need to see the context to cri...

With God on your side you'll always win. Doesn't seem fair.

From what I remember—I still have to read it again—he says that this point is already in Marx, that the fetishization of practice is a feature of the ...

I dispute this. Cave paintings.

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Marmalade, marmite, or just butter?

In that case the situation is as I'd predicted: you are working with a wider concept of use than I am. Of course an artists has a purpose, but the que...

But you've conflated use and purpose with meaning. Ha!

Would you like some toast?

Adorno thinks that gets you intelligibility at the cost of falsity. Well, your position is interesting and I’ve enjoyed grappling with it, but I’ll mo...

But couldn't we say that intuition and self-evidence are signs of, or of a piece with, our practices? It just doesn't seem all that far from saying "t...

Bon appetit! I had mine already.

I've been trying for two days, even neglecting to eat and sleep, to work out how this response constitutes a disagreement with my statement. Now I've ...

I want to disagree but I don't currently have the mental capacity to do so rationally. EDIT: it strikes me that could be a good motto.