PeterPants

ok, so here is where most of the misunderstanding lies i believe. indeed a 'person' can decide to go left or right, im in no way saying they cant. wha...

"Of course they can. A person can decide to go left or right. A person then does it utilizing internal energy, which is why we have internal energy to...

?PeterPants "So, the only one with an issue with considering things outside your own perspective is clearly you, Peter." "I would love to know what yo...

"The fact you don't know what "you need to read better" means just further confirms you do. Thanks." oh, lol, you meant i need to read MORE, right? li...

umm... Thanatos, i think you need to step back for a second, because you arguing against an imaginary straw man.

determinism is not an assumption, its all there is evidence for, to assume there is anything outside of determinism is the magical doctrinal assumptio...

i fully understand that, and actually thought i had basically said it.. My point was that this rules out the notion that at a specific instance in tim...

"So, the only one with an issue with considering things outside your own perspective is clearly you, Peter." I would love to know what your talking ab...

but what did you mean by 'you need to read better'? i read your comment like nine times, maybe you need to write better? maybe not, im not sure, have ...

no separation between our brains and us? really, then you have full awareness of everything happening in your brain? you can control your own heart ra...

im sorry, i have no idea what the issue is Thantos... how is the 'our brain' a problem? you have an issue with considering things from outside your ow...

how could that be possible? how could it even make any sense? for that, we would have to be aware of our decisions BEFORE we made them, and then decid...

i was not actually claiming that we 'should' act responsibly, what i was claiming was that if we want a productive society that enables the well being...

I very much doubt that most brains contain the knowledge that they are themselves determanistic devices.. i felt the need to post this because basical...

"You think my computer has a choice?" no, i dont thats exactly what im saying, it just responds in a deterministic way to the world around it. what ex...

The must comes from a pragmatic consideration, it would simply be impractical to act the way the world really is, we have to pretend to some degree th...

Im holding your brain responsible for its content, im not judging you for it because i recognize you have no power over what is there.

Anyway, you should really try to actually understand what people are saying before you start acting like a child and teasing them.

no, i dont think the brain does work to create the illusion, its just a side effect. and i see no problem in dissolving that illusion.. do you actuall...

" My computerized brain" ps, its just 'brain' the 'computerized' part is entirely unnecessary, brains ARE computers, clearly.

i dont think it ever was a good illusion, i think it causes great suffering and pain, in the person and in everyone else. people going around feeling ...

lol, indeed. well, i say that your computers being upset at this new understanding (or rather, pretended understanding) is just a symptom of a lifetim...

im not actually saying that people don't make decisions, just that we are not the ultimate source of those decisions. im saying that you have NO choic...

you seem to have mistakenly assumed that i dont think you are the conscious center of your thoughts and intentions.. our computers are not typing anyt...

You seem to almost be forgetting that the OP was saying that the person struggling in the gutter, is the bad, the one suffering. They were saying that...

Clearly our brains are just highly complex and messy computers, they take information in, process it as determined by their design (as set by evolutio...

The most helpful thing for me in understanding depression, was the realization that its basically a very very bad habit. (please don't think i'm trivi...

Only immoral men can draw comfort from statement 1, so i largely discount that element. I find statement 2 to be FAR more insulting to me, because it ...

Wow, i cant believe the number of people who cant read a damn diagram, the four quadrant chart is not flawed in the way people here are saying it is.....

Its quite simply really.. we all have mountains of evidence suggesting how dogs will behave, people who haven't seen dogs before will be far more susp...

I donno... ive never bought into this idea that you need bad to understand good, or that good is meaningless without bad.. to me its like saying that ...