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Cool essay, short & meandering. It has academic elements, and a loose structure, but it feels most to me like listening to someone who's comfortable e...
February 15, 2020 at 00:13
Catching back up : 3rd & final stanza: Some stories survived the dynasty of the builder But their echo was itself locked in, became Anticipation that ...
February 14, 2020 at 23:31
:up: I think we're converging on a mostly shared middleground.
February 12, 2020 at 15:18
But that seems even less likely to be effective then the 'accelerationist' option to which you oppose it (and there are definitely more options then l...
February 12, 2020 at 02:28
Stanza II So each found himself caught in a net As a fashion, and all efforts to wriggle free Involved him further, inexorably, since all Existed ther...
February 11, 2020 at 23:52
New poem 'Scheherazade' Stanza I: Unsupported by reason's enigma Water collects in squared stone catch basins. The land is dry. Under it moves The wat...
February 11, 2020 at 00:07
Second, final, stanza: Those tangled versions of the truth are Combed out, the snarls ripped out And spread around. Behind the mask Is still a contine...
February 10, 2020 at 01:29
Ok, so I am on board with an artist saying , if they want : 'I was thinking about this, and this, and here's what I made.' If they want to do that, th...
February 10, 2020 at 00:24
Or the artwork, due to neoliberal precarity, is forced to market itself through the artist statement, like a worker made to forge their way in a gig e...
February 09, 2020 at 06:44
I like that kindergarten idea as well. It's charming and I think it's a great idea. But there's a clean and quick way to deal with second point - 'not...
February 09, 2020 at 05:09
But the 'artist's statement' has to be understood as the specific thing it is. To make this concrete: Imagine jamalrob makes it mandatory that every p...
February 09, 2020 at 04:43
? I understand the by-the-books dialectical reversal being applied, but I'm surprised this is your take. The easy dialectical reversal breaks down qui...
February 09, 2020 at 04:01
Yeah, I think that's a good way to sum it up. There's a book I really like called Seeing Like a State, that analyzes rationalist projects (like forest...
February 09, 2020 at 01:55
Ah, I did the inexcusable & mistranscribed. The first line should say 'only in the gap of today filling itself.' Still pleasantly brain-breaking.
February 09, 2020 at 00:10
New Poem : 'A Man of Words' Stanza I: His case inspires interest But little sympathy; it is smaller Than at first appeared. Does the first nettle Make...
February 08, 2020 at 23:44
I'm doing mostly exegesis right now.
February 08, 2020 at 15:33
I think there's a really important point she's making that doesn't immediately shine through. It's something like Goodhart's law : "When a measure bec...
February 08, 2020 at 03:31
Continued Summary: Do you smell a rat between Mill and Moore? Anscombe does - his name is Sidgwick. She thinks he's wrong about everything and wrong i...
February 08, 2020 at 03:28
Summary post: Anscombe describes Moore & his ilk - for them, 'right action' is the action that produces the best consequences. Anscombe admits there's...
February 08, 2020 at 03:09
Internet's back up! I both agree & disagree. In both agreeing & disagreeing, I might ultimately be agreeing, but let me smooth some creases, for my ow...
February 08, 2020 at 02:08
I was all hopped up to read to the end of the essay tonight & dip back into the convo but my isp went and had an outage.My phones too too tiny to read...
February 08, 2020 at 01:21
final stanza: out of night the token emerges its leaves like birds alighting all at once under a tree taken up and shaken again put down in weak rage ...
February 08, 2020 at 00:50
Stranza three : remember you are free to wander away as from other times other scenes that were taking place the history of someone who came too late ...
February 07, 2020 at 00:12
Missed last night. Stanza two: you reading there so accurately sitting not wanting to be disturbed as you came from that holy land what other signs of...
February 06, 2020 at 17:53
New Poem (the title also serves as the first line) As You Came From the Holy Land (stanza 1) of western New York state were the graves all right in th...
February 05, 2020 at 02:27
Anscombe thinks that it would be better if we moved from 'wrong' or 'what-you-ought-not-to-do' to a cluster of things like 'injust' 'untruthful' and '...
February 04, 2020 at 05:24
You added this part after I responded, but I want to respond to this too. I've only read the essay once through so far, and my first read-through of a...
February 04, 2020 at 04:58
That's fair. I think this paper does a good job of laying much of the groundwork for what that account would look like, but I agree that that does not...
February 04, 2020 at 04:40
Next part: What seems to have happened, according to Anscombe, is that we've carried forth a whole ethical machinery involving obligation, while jetti...
February 04, 2020 at 04:39
I think, at its limit, virtue ethics just is clearing space so that you can understand how what matters in terms of ethics and virtue is extraphilosop...
February 04, 2020 at 04:23
I like that. Maybe the first mechanic was almost touching on something - only he hamfistedly applied a by-the-numbers version of the teachings of a di...
February 04, 2020 at 03:52
Have to agree with you there- Paul was a real piece of work. On a prolonged bible kick though, & can't help myself with the religious digressions - no...
February 04, 2020 at 03:09
I think so, only I'd flip the first two. 'If the butcher delivered the meat then you ought pay for the meat' seems to be the major premise. And it see...
February 04, 2020 at 03:04
Yes, I think we're on the same page here (& I do think Anscombe is right.) To take her idea of exceptions: we can imagine something that looks exactly...
February 04, 2020 at 02:52
tldr; of my post: If 'the butcher delivered meat' can be taken as an 'is', then so can 'I owe the butcher".
February 04, 2020 at 02:29
Yeah, I do like how openly frustrated she is with her contemporaries. Her prose is clunky. I don't get the sense that she's constitutionally incapable...
February 04, 2020 at 02:16
Good call. I'll read it through, then circle back
February 04, 2020 at 00:23
2nd, final stanza : Why must it always end this way? A dais with woman reading, with the ruckus of her hair And all that is unsaid about her pulling u...
February 03, 2020 at 23:52
Continuing: Anscombe draws the conclusion that we can't look to Aristotle for elucidation of moralty as we think of it. What about other thinkers? - B...
February 03, 2020 at 04:18
I'm interested. I'm up late after the superbowl with nothing to do. (background : I'm coming into the essay knowing nothing about it, and little about...
February 03, 2020 at 04:02
Late on account of the Superbowl, but new poem, name of Forties Flick Stanza 1: The shadows of the Venetian blind on the painted wall, Shadows of the ...
February 03, 2020 at 03:22
Second, final, stanza: One day a man called while I was out And left this message: “You got the whole thing wrong From start to finish. Luckily, there...
February 02, 2020 at 01:20
Hit me up on direct messenger. For various reasons, I've decided not to comment on the poems on this thread (I did break that rule once, but I'm tryin...
February 01, 2020 at 04:16
I can't speak for Ashbery, I'm just posting the poems.
February 01, 2020 at 04:12
Poem 2 : "Worsening Situation" Stanza 1: Like a rainstorm, he said, the braided colors Wash over me and are no help. Or like one At a feast who eats n...
January 31, 2020 at 22:41
I'm breaking my own rule a little bit, but just a quick note on the first poem. The poem's title, I've learned from the internet, is also the first li...
January 31, 2020 at 15:09
final stanza: The night sheen takes over. A moon of cistercian pallor Has climbed to the center of heaven, installed, Finally involved with the busine...
January 31, 2020 at 01:00
Hey man. I get the sense from your posts that you're dealing with some hard shit, that maybe goes beyond what ' the philosophy forum' can handle. I fe...
January 30, 2020 at 05:47
Both. I really think there's a point at which those two things converge. Now it's rare for me to experience either immersion in the work of others, or...
January 30, 2020 at 00:10
@"Noble Dust" Yes, perfectly put, that's what I was trying to get at. For me (drawing/poetry/short stories) I'm wildly blocked up creatively, and I'm ...
January 30, 2020 at 00:04