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I'm curious... after reading the earlier posts... Given all we know about the current pandemic... Do you think the American government ought to do eve...

This is worthy of it's own thread.

There most certainly is in Moore's scenario. One is mistaken about the weather. Another points it out. Moore wonders why one cannot say the same thing...

Your first and last paragraph are in direct conflict with one another.

Pointing out that another is mistaken is a comparison between the way things were, are, or will be and another's false, contradictory, and/or otherwis...

Sometimes...

That's not always the case.

A non linguistic(language less) creature's... :wink: No problem for your theory or mine!

Ok. So it seems you agree with the above bit. Good. I thought we were in agreement about that much at least. Indeed I did, and there most certainly ar...

I'm not even sure what you're asking me. Mac does not believe that it's raining outside, but he's wrong. <------------that is what we can say about an...

I see no issue at all with using our mind to acquire knowledge of that which existed in it's entirety prior to it... Human thought and belief are such...

We are using the term "belief" in remarkably different ways. Both uses are picking something out of this world to the exclusion of all else, but we're...

I would concur... completely... if... we added beliefs about ourselves too... we are both objects in the world, and subjects taking account of it, and...

If that were the case, then there could be no such thing as what many classify as reflective thought, a change in one's own sense of self worth, belon...

Surprising answer, given that I thought that you and I shared quite a bit of overlap(agreement) in our respective views in this thread. Do you not agr...

"I am confused" is both a belief statement about one's own mental state, and describes and/or refers to one's own mental state... Come to think of it....

No. I'm saying exactly what you claimed I'm not. I'm not saying exactly what you said I was. :brow: The certainty/doubt is the mental state. "I believ...

That's what I've never claimed. So when you said it "was not the belief itself which is a description of one's mental state", I would agree. I said "I...

I've offered numerous examples of such usage.

"I believe" is not the belief. I stand by everything I've written. I'm actually glad you resurrected that bit. The deletion was accidental. "I believe...

I've never claimed otherwise. Sometimes "I believe" indicates doubt, particularly when someone says "I believe, but I'm not certain". Those uses are a...

"I believe X, but I'm not certain" expresses doubt and/or uncertainty concerning the truth of the belief(X).

One's doubt about a belief is doubting the truth thereof. I'm not following. Which description?

One is about philosophical positions and there is no uncertainty and/or hesitation involved regarding the truth of the statement(that), while the othe...

Well, here and now... not strictly speaking. It's better to note that I'm reporting upon some common language uses, as are we all... However, I could ...

"I believe that that's correct, but I'm uncertain" is about the speaker's doubt or uncertainty regarding that(whatever that may be). Do you see it dif...

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Yes, we can have belief about our own belief, and they not only can be, but must be true belief. The alternative is confusion, lunacy, and/or insanity...

My take... Why is it the case that someone who asserts "It is raining" does not thereby assert that they believe it is raining? Well, because "I belie...

Not that the comparison is particularly interesting to me, because it's not at all, but since you asked... Both are philosophical positions. All philo...

Getting things back to normal...

You're talking to yourself.

There are no solipsists... Solipsism is a symptom of a gross misunderstanding of thought and belief hard at work. Solipsism is the name of a philosoph...

If she means that, then she's absolutely correct. They are virtually innumerable such true statements(if that's what you mean by "truths") about one t...

There's all sorts of statements that are both true about us, and yet sound utterly absurd if we are the ones saying so. That fact ought not be a surpr...

I've no idea what relevance that has to what I've offered here. From what I remember, I'm no traditional correspondence theorist. There's much to argu...

I would concur, and add the following... To lie is to deliberately misrepresent one's own thought and belief. All lies share this common feature/trait...

Yup... Regardless of sincerity... one cannot believe both statements at the same time.

What makes it puzzling is when and if it cannot be effectively de-mystified(solved) by using one's framework... If one's framework takes adequate acco...

Now I'm the one rather puzzled here... I do not understand why this 'puzzle' remains interesting to anyone... Moore's hypothetical speaker makes two s...

Well, no, it's actually not. You see where you've placed a division between reality, sensory responses, and belief that it's raining, I reject those d...

So, because we use sensory responses to detect rainfall, we cannot talk about that which we're detecting?

Moore's first example is of an individual recognizing and describing another individual's mistake. He then moves on to wonder why one cannot say the s...

So... The problem, according to you, is trusting a speaker. And someone mentioned irony earlier...

Yes. That's been established and is not at issue as far as I'm concerned. Those do not directly contradict one another. That basically is Moore's firs...

We cannot believe both at the same time. Done. Some people.

The domain of logical possibility...

As common language users, we automatically presume sincerity and/or honesty in another's speech. This happens autonomously, early on, and it is necess...

No. It is a long standing historical mistake to treat belief statements as though they are equivalent to statements and/or propositions. Hence... Talk...

The post that followed this opening is the first critique of white privilege, from you, that I've seen. I'm still struggling to understand why you are...