creativesoul

I thought you were asking about my position... That's one kind of relationship.

More than just logical possibility alone.

Ok, then surely you'll take the next step, and realize that the following is not true.

Indeed, and all statements thereof are meaningful to the creature making them, and presuppose truth, insincerely made ones notwithstanding.

Are those the only options? :yikes:

I don't think you grasp what's being written. Some more connections need to be made. Causality is an example of a relationship that exists in it's ent...

Ok. Do you agree that a belief system's being reasonable requires only coherence and plausible premisses?

:smile:

I should have further qualified... some things... are in relation to a self-conscious subject, and cannot exist in absence thereof. Edited to add: Oh,...

Given the ending, I would say that that much is clear.

Being reasonable(coherent) means following the rules of correct inference. A belief system can be both perfectly reasonable(coherent) and false. Thus,...

Not all... As always. :lol:

Yep. Logical possibility alone does not constitute sufficient reason to believe(does not warrant belief).

I do not just mean that things exist in relation to a self-conscious subject, but some meaningful relations certainly do, and cannot exist in absence ...

Funny thing is that I read the entire OP without ever speaking aloud.

Well, I'm not sure what would count as a successful demonstration to you, but I could try... Touching fire causes pain. One can learn that touching fi...

I wouldn't. I would completely agree that many relationships exist prior to any and all language use(causality, spatiotemporal, symbiotic, existential...

I'm saying that meaning exists prior to language, and language is the means by which we can discover and take proper account of that. Well... We can k...

Purpose. Aside from the bit above, I'd say that that's as close as any other besides... Meaning. All purpose is full of meaning. Not all meaning is fu...

This deserves revisitation. That's not what I said.

A nice bit of rhetoric. Lacks quite a bit of meaning. Enough to sound profound to some, I'm sure. Not I. It's also poisoning the well.

I see. Understandable. "Meaning exists in it's entirety long before we've acquired the means to discover and/or take proper account of it" was just ma...

Yup. The Kantian difference. Judgement as a talent. :wink: Be well.

Those are meaningful things.

That's not a given. How can something exist before existing? Emergence is coming into existence. I'm not sure what you're saying here. Could you provi...

Witt is helpful in expanding our understanding of what all goes into some meaningful expression or another. Witt's failures(on my view) are what so ma...

There are multiple sensible uses of the term "belief". Not everyone knows and/or uses them all. Some of them are in direct conflict with others. That ...

That's quite the impoverished notion of what is meaningful to us... I believe my work is done here.

Thinking about thought, belief, and language use as topics and/or subject matters in their own right.

Cool. I'm listening. Quibble away. :wink:

A misunderstanding is a lack of shared meaning. Usually, when one misunderstands another, they've misattributed meaning somewhere along the way. Howev...

What a boring bunch. :mask: :smirk: :mask:

Concepts... Muddle on top of misunderstanding.

Sure we are. It's a bit curious that you'd deny that that's exactly what we're doing.

Those who hold that all belief content is propositional are using different senses of the term "belief", ones that cannot possibly take proper account...

We arrive at different acceptable senses of the same term. Then what? :brow:

When one has never even had the thought of the chair collapsing, there could be no possible belief that it would not. Believing a chair will bear our ...

If you could, would you mind revisiting the post where I described Gettier's mistake? Imagine, before you do, that I'm employing a similar approach to...

I've no issue at all with rejecting the idea of private language. To reject private meaning however, shows an inherent inability to take adequate acco...

Yes... I left the rest unspoken... Because some belief statements can be both uncertain and true, and certain but false, it only follows that certaint...

The approach depends upon a metacognitive endeavor; to make that which remains implicit during the speech act of a native language user explicit. Expo...

I've asked a few different questions, and raised a few different concerns. Do you believe that you've answered and attended to those satisfactorily?

I've asked a few different questions, and raised a few different concerns. Do you believe that you've answered and attended to those satisfactorily?

Well, the claim I'm making is quite a bit more nuanced than that... We do not have the kind of knowledge about our own minds; about our own thought an...

We may agree upon specific scenarios/situations/circumstances in which "I believe" implies a guess. That's one language game(Grammar?) involving the u...

I'm not going to object to the idea that we can acquire knowledge regarding everyone's language use. That is, we can make universal statements about e...

Again, understood. I'm still struggling quite a bit here. I'm trying to wrap my head around what the purpose of this method is? What is achieved? What...

Understood. Never implied otherwise.

I had to consciously refrain from criticizing this... It is one of the historical conventional mistaken practices that paved the way to Gettier; misun...

By the way, I am impressed by his treatment and discussion about the use of "voluntary" regarding the argument referenced between Ryle and Austin... I...