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I'm not talking about communication. I'm also not attributing communication to birds. I'm talking about belief, and how it pertains to and/or is germa...

The granddaughter is not language less. Did you bother to read the entire post?

Digging in... There is no single referent for "linguistic truth". There are several. The only one applicable to language less creatures' belief is cor...

Nice comparison/contrast regarding correspondence and T sentences. :point:

Well, sure it is! Some language less creatures can see a sheet. I would not say that they see a sheet-as-sheet. I don't think you would either. Not ex...

Sheet-as-sheet to me indicates naming and descriptive practices accompanying the seeing. This eliminates language less seeing of the sheet, which - of...

What's the difference between seeing the sheet and seeing the sheet-as-sheet?

You seem a bit too preoccupied with where you believe my position is mistaken. That's several times now where you've charged my position with some sor...

Situations, circumstances, states of affairs, and/or events all have parts. "Snow is white" is true by definition. The more interesting cases are not.

Indeed. If we are to have a philosophically and scientifically respectable position, the evolutionary progression of meaningful thought and belief mus...

This seems consistent with indirect realism, idealism, and similar frameworks which work from the same fundamental mistake. Namely, that we have no di...

You're either right or not about those sentences that assert nothing.

Put that one in the schema...

For sure. I'm with you on that last bit. As it pertains to the rest... What I offered in the previous couple of posts was where I thought our views we...

A fraught notion...

So, one stumbling block seems to be the position you hold about notions of true and false. You've expressed concerns, and rightfully so, about the dif...

This discussion of language less creatures' belief directly pertains to the topic of truth, because if it is the case that a language less creature is...

A 'sense' of object permanence or an expectation(belief that something will come out the other side)? I would go with the latter in that case. There i...

One example I like to use is the fire example. A language less creature, including but not limited to prelinguistic humans, can learn that touching fi...

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Yes, yes, and yes... That's much what I was getting at in the world before humans example...

That's the question, right? How could a language less creature believe that a mouse is behind a tree if it has no linguistic concepts? Indeed, it is. ...

Ah, my mistake. That's very true. This is more interesting. If we're saying that a dog's belief can be true, we're not necessarily saying that the dog...

Imagine the world before humans... In this world before humans, if it is possible for a mouse to be behind a tree, and it is possible for a language l...

Okay. That's the conventional view when it comes to belief as propositional attitude. I agree that propositional content is necessarily linguistic, bu...

Maybe. I just think that talking about truth and talking about belief are quite distinct in their focus. There is also a possible unspoken presupposit...

I'm not sure if it's an equivocation of "true" or a way to show that both correspondence and coherence are exhausted. The latter would be very unique.

There will be. If having no precedent were ground for taking no action, there would never be any precedent for anything at all.

That surprises me coming from you. What are we doing when we talk about belief if not referring to what people believe? Seems to me that people can be...

Taking pride in the negative effects/affects that racism can have upon another, regardless of their race, is rather racist in and of itself...

It's only 'reverse' to them because they are white, on the other side of it, and they do not know what racism is to begin with! :lol: It is a perfect ...

Me either. That each corresponds to and/or is consistent with different facts does not mean that correspondence is not the commonality between them.

Only if facts are true sentences/statements. If facts are situations, circumstances, states of affairs, or what's happened and/or happening, then the ...

Not true in the same sense that any of the left side utterances are though. Interesting.

I think the T schema only works with sentences that begin with a universal quantifier. I cannot make much sense of my saying that, but it seems to me ...

Truth value gaps...

Therefore... they are not free...

Exactly. Sounds like there's quite a bit of overlap in our positions regarding that.

Another interesting bit of etymology concerns the notion of "false" which came about as a means to denote anything contrary to Christian doctrine, aft...

You may be right, I just thought that her belief that stuff was in the fridge was well grounded, true, and required no further subsequent justificatio...

If being justified means being well grounded, then sure. If it means providing reasons to support a knowledge claim, then no. I tend towards justifica...

I think that that real life example tells us quite a bit about how we autonomously 'employ' correspondence long before ever being able to talk about i...

With regard to Witt's notion of hinge propositions, does her knowledge require any more subsequent justification? There's some sort of bedrock there, ...

Did you miss the anecdote about my granddaughter? You may appreciate it greatly.

I could not have imagined or wished for such a great real life example. I laughed so hard as a result of her opening the door to show that stuff was i...

"The man with ten coins in his pocket" refers to Smith and Smith alone, because it is Smith who is doing the thinking. Smith's belief is true only if,...

Ought it be? My twenty-seven-month-old granddaughter understood just fine when she heard someone say something about the fridge that was not true. Her...

Accounting malpractices of human belief. That's what they all amount to.

Ah, playing with the T-schema.