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You've shown a penchant recently for not answering questions posed to you. Try this... Does "there is a cow in the field" follow from mistaking cloth ...

Does it escape Quine's deconstruction of that distinction in Two Dogmas?

How does "there is a cow in the field" follow from mistaking cloth for cow? How does mistaking cloth for cow serve as sufficient reason to believe and...

Seems to me that all Gettier cases show problems with the conventional accounting practices. From convention accounting practices' inability to proper...

I prefer to put Gettier's Case II in long form, for that's how those sorts of beliefs are best understood, and it's also much easier for the average J...

I understand the concerns with clarity, particularly when it comes to expressing one's views in a philosophical discussion with other philosophers. We...

I changed how I present them. Okay. Do we agree that at time t1, the farmer believed that the cloth in the field was a cow, but he does not know that?

We can discuss things more later. For now though... Let's start at the beginning of this particular famer's thought and belief formation process. Let'...

My position on this has evolved a bit since our first conversation. Your summary to invizzy would be closer to what my position was back when you and ...

Is that what counts as a valid reply/answer these days? That may count as an answer to some people, but others can plainly see that it does not answer...

I'm not doubting that you have not laid it all out. I'm rejecting using the notion of "necessary" as a means to discriminate between kinds of true sta...

Here's how I see it... Simply put:Our disagreements boil down to the differences between our notions of belief. I was hopeful that there was a bridge ...

You cannot have one without the other. Earlier you spoke of necessary truths didn't you?

I remember. That's why I asked. I cannot make head or tails out of that answer. except that it seemed to be some sort of critique of my approach. Stra...

Yeah, I'm not keen on using "necessary" to discriminate between kinds of true statements. I prefer the way I set out in that OP. We may discuss the di...

I see. Curious how you would answer the questions I posed to Ludwig.

You could always quote something from that link and discuss it.

Well surely you see that I'm rejecting that sense of "necessary"? :wink:

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In each and every case of causation there is a correlation between cause and effect/affect.

My apologies for not recognizing what all you've said here. It deserves better attention than I gave it earlier. Gestalt was in control, I suppose. I ...

Regarding cases of mistaken identity... Gazing upon a field, seeing a piece of cloth, and believing it to be a cow does not entail "there is a cow in ...

This presupposes that there is more than one kind of belief. I find that quite germane to the topic, given the B aspect.

Yes. My mistake there. I was irritated at the time by another posters' hubris, very tired, and was not thinking clearly. The target propositions are t...

I suggest you read my posts in this thread. I'm not interested in continuing discussion with you, given the recent history.

The target proposition is always false, one of which the believer cannot possibly be justified in believing. The target proposition is always an accou...

So, he was looking at a piece of cloth, believed that he was looking at a cow, but did not believe that that piece of cloth was a cow? :roll:

It is humanly impossible to knowingly hold false belief. The farmer's belief is false. False belief cannot be true. The farmer reports a belief that c...

We cross posted. My last post did not take the above into consideration. That particular farmer sees that particular piece of cloth in that particular...

The problem is basic. The farmer believes that a piece of cloth is a sheep. That belief is false. False belief cannot be true. The farmer, should they...

I'm afraid I've been unclear. I'm arguing against using words that the farmer would have used at the time, for he did not know that he believed a piec...

History is chock full of examples, whether fact or fiction, about people using other people's thoughts and beliefs against them. If there are experts,...

Still granting too much to begin with. Attributing "there is a cow in the field" to a farmer that believes that a piece of cloth is a cow is an accoun...

Gettier's two cases are similar to the cottage industry that followed with the barn facade and the cloth examples because they are al claim to stipula...

Well, I say it because it seems pretty clear to me that in each and every instance - at the precise moment in time - when we become aware of the fact ...

Well you gave no choice, really. You stipulated one very efficient worker and one useless worker. In the background is the risk of failing as a compan...

Larry cannot do everything by himself and promotes a hostile work environment as well as lower the general morale. Attitudes like his are cancerous in...

Russell's clock is another example of accounting malpractices in my view. The person believed that a stopped clock was working. That was the false bel...

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Could you rephrase? Not in my view. Whatever it may consist of. I'm fond of parsing things in terms of their bas...

I've nothing else to say. Be well.

When A is existentially dependent upon B then B is necessary for the emergence of A. When something(A) is existentially dependent upon something else(...

Nothing. However, not all things emerging from the physical world are themselves physical. They are all naturally occurring. Meaningful correlations t...

Gettier demonstrates how the rules of entailment do not successfully preserve truth. Why, again, is it an acceptable thing to do? We employ the rules ...

Smith is not justified in believing that anyone else has ten coins in their pocket. He is also not justified in believing anyone else with ten coins i...

Okay, so long as... P need not be true in order for it to be believed. The phrase "for S, P is true" conflates truth and belief. There are plenty of c...

So, the intellect orders the parts that it later doubts?

It followed from the rationale you employed to arrive at not trusting the senses. You mentioned how we have exceeded our innate capabilities, or words...

Beliefs are not equivalent to P. <-------That's a basic problem underwriting Gettier problems. The 'logical' rules of entailment are another. Treating...

So all valid conclusions are necessary in your view? Seems our notions of "necessary" differ.

The irony. I've not given any argument. Answer the questions.