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As before, I've no skin in the game to speak of. How and/or if classical logic can account for what belief that (p v q) takes is of no concern of mine...

I've not ignored that Smith believes that (p v q). To quite the contrary, I unpacked that notion using Gettier's set up and a bit of much needed criti...

I'm tired tonight. I appreciate your input Michael. Tomorrow, I'll show how that bit of knowledge regarding what belief that (p v q) consist in/of exa...

I'm tempted to be a smartass. Re-read the quote you are addressing and pay close attention to how it begins.

Hmmm... 5 is a problem. May need to change something in the bit of knowledge. Believing that (p v q) is true, if based upon belief that p, and accepti...

Believing that (p v q) is true, if based upon belief that p, is to believe that if p is true then so too is (p v q). That bit of knowledge effectively...

And yet you object? Upon what grounds? I've exhausted the notion of belief that (p v q) being used in this particular Gettier case. I've done so witho...

Yep. I think that that does it. QED

Applying the above bit of knowledge we arrive at... 1. My belief that p is justified 2. From 1, my belief that if p is true then so too is (p v q) is ...

The entire argument neglects what belief that p v q requires. As such it works from an ill-conceived criterion for what counts as belief. Believing th...

Yep. I think that that does it. Let me know what you think Michael...

That may do it.

Believing that (p v q) is true, if based upon belief that p, is to believe that if p is true then so too is (p v q).

I have been at pains to show that belief that (p v q) is nothing more than believing that the rules of correct inference say that (p v q) follows from...

There's nothing more to believing that (p v q) aside from believing that p, knowing that p v q follows from p, and knowing that if p is true, then so ...

See post 759

Smith's belief is that Jones owns a Ford, and that each of the three propositions derived from that follow the rules of logic. That takes the steam ou...

The logic is inadequate in it's explanatory power.

He believes that p v q is true because he believes that p, and he believes that the rules of correct inference allow him to derive p v q based upon p.

The only belief of Smith's that is operative in his deriving disjunction from his belief that p is his belief about the rules of correct inference. Do...

For Pete's sake Michael... Read the whole post and think about it.

One cannot believe that Brown is in three different locations. Thus, the only belief of Smith's that is operative in his deriving disjunction from his...

That totally addresses Gettier. I'm showing that Gettier's claim that Smith's belief that g, h , and i are true aren't at all about the content of g, ...

Jones owns a Ford or Brown is in Barcelona Jones owns a Ford or Brown is in Boston These are both valid inferences from a belief that p. Because p is ...

Yes. But be careful here... His believing that they are true is nothing more and nothing less than his believing that the rules of disjunction allow h...

No. If he really is justified in believing p, then because those three sentences really do follow from p, then his accepting them as valid is justifie...

Use Gettier's example.

Show me where I mix up truth and validity.

See the post above.

Believing (p v q) is true requires only belief that p and belief that p v q follows from p. It is the case that p v q follows from p, so Smith's belie...

Precisely. They are not true as a result of being inferred from p. Smith knows that. Thus, he does not accept that all three are true as a result of r...

No. Both are valid inference from p. You're neglecting the distinction between being valid and being true. That is precisely the bewitchment.

If by "accept" Gettier means "accept as true", then he certainly means accept as valid. One cannot accept that all three are true, because they all th...

I'm bringing it up because believing that p v q is a justified inference from p has everything to do with the self-imposed bewitchment. I understand t...

Is that different than believing that inferring p v q from p is justified? You see, I know what it takes for p to be true. I know what it takes for q ...

I think our differences involve the different conceptions/notions regarding what counts as belief.

I note also that your examples have a p that is true. Gettier's p is false. Not sure what the ramifications of that are, aside from whether or not one...

That looks like an equivocation of "is true". Believing that p is true or believing that q is true is to believe that p or q corresponds to fact/reali...

I understand all of that Michael. I'd like you to answer the question... What does it mean to believe each of these three propositions if not believin...

Fair enough. I suspect that there is much common ground.

That is the problem. If Smith can believe each of those three propositions, and those three propositions include contradictory statements about Brown'...

I understand the historical approach. I've seen the above 'proof' or something similar before, although 6 looks out of place. It should say I know tha...

I do not see how setting out how A&B can be false is relevant to the case at hand. For one, it's not a counterexample of either/or. It may, however, s...

Put p v q in meaningful terms. I mean, give them value.

Can you answer a question for me Srap? When one says either X or Y, do you think that it makes any sense at all to put it like that if both X and Y ar...

It's all about belief. I mean, that is precisely what grounds my objections here srap. Smith does not hold/have belief about Brown's whereabouts. To a...

Then Smith does not believe that Brown is in Barcelona. If Smith does not believe that Brown in is Barcelona, then Smith does not have JTB, and that's...

I understand the historical approach... Gettier's case requires Smith to hold belief about Brown's location, for that is precisely the purported belie...

Yup. That's the one...

This thread is not the place. You're welcome to join the Mechanics of Thought/Belief thread. The OP ought answer all these questions...