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Drawing and maintaining a distinction between reward/punishment and causality is not unnecessary regarding (2). Your rendering makes (2) true. Mine do...

Unnecessarily multiplying entities. Reward and punishment requires a judge. Causality does not.

So, (1) and (3) but not (2) as written??? Because there is no need for a rule giver(God) or reward/punishment but rather just good ole knowledge of ca...

That may not be true. Seems like the demonstrably provable negative affects/effects stemming from not honoring one's voluntarily obligations(promises)...

Not what I said then or now.

Are you claiming my mom is to my dad as perception is to reality(as Kant's Noumena/phenomena distinction)? Which one is the parent in itself? :wink:

Where do I start? Sigh... All practiced usage of a term, any term, counts as a 'meaningful' sense(scarequotes intentional) of that particular term. Od...

I agree.

I, too, strongly suspect that morality is inevitable as an evolutionary feature/consequence of our being interdependent social creatures.

Don't thank me, thank the one I adopted that from... probably A.J. Ayer.

Yes. In order to know that there is a difference between two things, one must have access to both in order to compare them.

That's up... out of the bottle. Not down. :wink:

Well, I reject Kant's Noumena as well as phenomenalist approaches on the obvious grounds that drawing the distinction between the world and perception...

Strictly speaking, everything ever thought, believed, and/or uttered comes through a subject, so in that sense, nothing thought, believed, spoken, wri...

If that's the case, then the term "subjective" loses all its meaning and use because it loses the ability to discriminate between different kinds of t...

Your problem just may be the terminological usage you've confined yourself with. Are you using the terms "moral" and "facts" consistently? If so, exac...

Yes. The basic dichotomy I'm setting out and working from is moral and not. Yes, I am denying that. By virtue of promising, one already obligates them...

Moral facts, on Bob's view, cannot exist for they must be mind-independent(whatever they are), objective entities and given that all things moral dire...

Okay. Good. Do you understand that I'm setting out the bit I bolded?

No. I'm clearly delineating, not implying, that all facts are events(what happened or is happening) and that moral facts are distinct from all others ...

From the SEP's article on moral realism...

Truth is correspondence between what's happened or is happening and thought, belief, and/or statements thereof. Facts are events(what's happened or is...

No. I said, facts, on my view, are not truth apt. They are not the sorts of things that can be true/false. Rather, they are part of what makes it poss...

What you claimed to be your problem has nothing to do with what I wrote. I've no problem at all with the statement you focused on. I agree that promis...

My apologies. As is typical with me sometimes, I packed way too many things in that post without enough connective tissue, so to speak. I understand w...

So what's the difference between metaethics and metalinguistics? Ethics first. Metaethics second. Meta ethics endeavors to think about behavioural cod...

That's not a problem for me. Why does it cause you pause?

Close. Promises are moral facts.

Was the answer to your question clearly stated in those quotes? If not, if not, then what's the point of qouting the question? Why answer like that? N...

Hi Bob. Facts are what has already happened and/or what is currently happening. Sometimes people speak in terms of states of affairs, the way things w...

So, you've said a lot since I last posted. I wonder if you saw Hume's answer to the question you've posed? You asked: What reason do we have to believ...

More Hume pertaining to the OP...

Hume's own words below. Granted, they are not the admission I was looking for, but they are spot on regarding the OP, and a difference between your re...

Nah. He said it plainly. He said he had no idea and you say otherwise about him... I'll take his word over yours.

That's an 'interesting' thing to say, given the fact that Hume himself clearly admitted having no clue about belief... ...and he was right. He didn't.

Yup. Folk use meaningful language not created by themselves to arrive at philosophical 'positions' that quite simply cannot take account of that much.

You're saying that to someone who I strongly suspect may not understand what a performative contradiction is. Indeed, that poster is being grilled by ...

You seem to have missed the point. When we sleep, we are not perceiving the world. Now apply the example I offered. It is of a case where someone we'r...

The well is Austin's criticism of Ayer's position. The conversation is based upon that. In the conversation, relevant replies dip from exactly that we...

Thanks, but the bit you replied to ought not be further expounded or explicated. It's far too tangent.

Understanding what one possibly means, what they're talking about, or what they're picking out to the exclusion of all else when they utter "direct pe...

During the time before language, all sorts of different creatures were perceiving all sorts of stuff. None of it was existentially dependent upon lang...

I think it worth mentioning here that early, basic, and/or rudimentary point of view invariant(universally applicable) perception was taking place lon...

Indeed. In order to fully understand any position, the student must first grant some of it, at least. "The mark of an educated mind" and all that. Doe...

Nice thread. Good stuff. Hi Ludwig. Aside from this post, I'll likely not add much more. I am not attempting to disagree with anything you've said her...

Below is taken from another thread. It's an example of application 'in the wild'...

Seems clear to me that that is precisely the wrong way around. We do not go from propositional and cognitive understanding to non-propositional and no...

Awareness without emotions, thoughts, or inner world?

We adopt, discover, and construct them. They are both causes and effects/affect. We perceive their effects/affects. That's tangential to the topic tho...

...to there... from where exactly?