creativesoul

That's just not true. The simple counter-arguments have been given, without subsequent due attention. Those arguments do not negate everything you've ...

Close. Both consist entirely of thought/belief. Not all thought/belief is true. Knowledge must be. Imagination need not be. Not all thought/belief is ...

Nah. No hard feelings. You may feel strongly. But your disagreement does not have strong justificatory ground. The argument you've presented is not st...

How does it all tie together to result in language use? It begins simply and grows in it's complexity. By the time one gets to where you are... asking...

Judaka and you both seem to me to be working from a few mistaken notions... The position requires a strong, sharp, and complete dissection of imaginat...

The last post is continuing with the self-contradiction... it's multiplying... No need.

Nah. You didn't create another problem. Rather, it simply highlighted the inherent issues in the position you've been arguing for. Use it wisely. Real...

I've nothing much to argue with in that post, except for the above... What you're calling "overthought", I would call not thought about in the right s...

"Set" is a name used to pick out a group of different particular things. All these particulars have something in common. The commonality is what makes...

Thank you. I thought them necessary given the OP and the direction of the thread at the time. This presupposes that all rules governing language use a...

You think/believe the following(assuming sincerity)... Fictional characters give greater understanding. You also argue the following... Imagination is...

It mentions a fictional character. Fictional characters are imagined.

You two are contradicting yourselves at every turn now... Empathy can lead to understanding. It does not always. But it can. I'm out.

Imagination doesn't lead to understanding though... so you say. :smirk:

I told you from jump... What you say here is contradicted everyday all day long by actual events.

That mistakenly presupposes that one cannot do both. Perplexing... you say???

Must've hit a nerve. Is there a valid refutation in the midst of that? A valid criticism? An argument of your own perhaps? Edit:Nope.

Einstein imagined himself sitting upon a photon of light...

More is better. There is no such thing as complete understanding. Leading to more is arriving at better. The OP is just plain false. It works from a f...

Again. Says you. Your saying that it is so does not make it so... ya know? All imagination consists in/of thought/belief. Some thought/belief is true....

What makes that a problem? Your saying it is so does not make it so... ya know? You'll have to do better than that. Address one of the arguments.

I've never been a slave in the way that blacks in America and throughout the world were and still are. I know how much I value self-direction, freedom...

One need not know the particulars of a person's life to understand their words. Wanting to understand another's plight is what having empathy is all a...

Oh the irony...

So what counts as linguistic meaning? Meaning expressed via language use, I presume. Using language requires following the rules of language. Linguist...

Has an adequate methodology been elaborated and put to use here? I mean, I haven't read the thread, but the OP asks about the origens of linguistic me...

Not all belief in God is taken upon and/or based upon pure faith alone. Rather, the need for humans to recognize, attribute, and misattribute causalit...

So... Is God real? I find no difference between God and a belief in God, no matter which supernatural entity is under consideration. That which is rea...

Now... I agree with the need to distinguish between well grounded belief and not so well grounded belief. It's just that I find that your explanations...

All thought, belief, attribution of meaning, presupposition of correspondence, correspondence, assertion, statement, proposition, imagining, truth/fal...

In general... I argue in favor of direct physiological sensory perception. I argue in favor of thought/belief beginning in it's simplest form and grow...

Like that...

Simple, basic, rudimentary level thought/belief is prior to our account thereof. That which is prior to our account is not existentially dependent - i...

What sorts of things? Well, what's actually available of course. 'Objects' of physiological sensory perception and/or the creature's own state of emot...

Somewhere on the timeline between conception and birth we begin to form the first beliefs of our lives. Exactly when doesn't matter. What they could p...

I work from the bare assumption that at the moment of a creature's initial conception, there is no thought/belief to be had. The necessary elemental c...

What do all belief have in common such that having it makes them what they are? What do they all possess and/or include that is both necessary and suf...

What does all belief consist in/of?

This is what it amounts to... So, we have two kinds of belief. This kind and that kind. We know what it takes to deserve being called 'this' or 'that'...

:smile: There's been a misunderstanding. I demanded a proper definition of "belief". It happens to be a simple answer. Not all simple answers suffice....

What you did say was that your use of "feelings" has the same referent as my use of "thought/belief about acceptable/unacceptable behaviour". That is ...

If I am pointing at a tree and say "look at the dog", that is wrong word usage, no?

Which is the concept, and which is that which is being conceived of? If concepts are abstractions, and they are of abstractions, then they are of them...

Do it.

I take it that you cannot distinguish between concepts and that which is being conceived of...

That's a recurring problem.

Now about "concepts"... :wink: How do you draw and maintain the distinction between a concept and what is being conceived of? Conception of "morality"...

It's your point. I showed it adds nothing. Your problem, not mine. It's actually prone to a reductio... Naturalism has artificial aspects in the same ...

Of what use is "artificial" here?

Nah. I'm in agreement thus far. It doesn't add anything helpful though, does it?