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Could you explain the patterns of reward in these experiments? The above is too vague to know what the experiments entailed. Fairness would require so...

You're not talking about observables. The sense of fairness consists of thought and belief, as I've been setting out heretofore. A sense of fairness i...

A sense of ought/fairness/justice is to assess what has happened in light of what ought to have happened. All such assessments are comparisons between...

If you do not include race in the discussion, then racial disparities aren't able to be identified! :brow: Hence, one can claim color-blindness as a m...

Bullshit. Belief in race does not equate to devaluing one because of their race. The former is necessary for the latter, but not all belief in race in...

Is it though? How can examining our behaviour when describing something that exists in it's entirety prior to our naming it be adequate for examining ...

What good is that notion of subjective?

Reminds me of Quine, Witt, and Kripke all rolled into one - aside perhaps from the use of "sensation".

No.

I know that there can be no hallucination, dream, and/or illusion of red if there is no red. I do not work from the dichotomies underlying your accoun...

You and I are in near complete agreement on that. I was just following suit(so to speak). Our difference seems to be regarding what counts as warrant ...

That's probably closer to my view, but still not on par with it. Thought and belief. That is what all experience consists of. Much of it is socially m...

No it doesn't. It demonstrates that red experiences require both, red things and the ability to see them as such. It also demonstrates that the intern...

And yet those people are seeing red.

I'd like to talk about these... Which ones do you find convincing enough to conclude that those subjects are indeed performing restorative behaviours ...

I'm having trouble with the equivalence being drawn between clear discontent due to false belief about what's going to happen(accompanied by and exemp...

As mentioned before, our views on thought and belief differ in crucial ways. I don't think that that has to be a problem though. We agree on much more...

Yes. That's quite helpful. One minor note, however, to reciprocate that clarity... I'm suspending judgment regarding whether or not agreement is neces...

What's the point of all this irrelevant bickering? I have one. You have one. We have one. It doesn't have to be the exact same. We have one. Does it m...

That notion of belief grants inference and disposition to act to inanimate objects. Of course thoughts and belief can be different.

You've misunderstood. I was asking if that assumption was the one you're holding...

Well, this is certainly at the heart of the matter... Is our sense of fairness a term? I would think that if you sincerely believe that non human prim...

What is thought and belief then, if it is not the sort of thing that has content? How do you discern between thinking of trees and thinking of dots if...

So, behind all these weird and irrelevant replies coming from you is the simple confession... I'm assuming that non linguistic animals(non human prima...

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I would definitely say that all those same experimental results could be used in show a sense of trust developing between the subject and the humans a...

Decades of careful study and accounting practices largely informed by methodological naturalism, use of logical reasoning, and knowing what all though...

So, those particular experiments produced results that provide equal support for different reports/accounts of those experiments, particularly reports...

Those are not the only options. I'm saying let's look and see if a sense of fairness/justice is unique to humans. Is a sense of fairness/justice uniqu...

The above is thinking about one's own thought and belief. That is linguistic belief because it is existentially dependent upon language use. That woul...

It seems that you're asking me which experiment I would prefer, without ever setting out what it is that we're looking to prove. I'm strongly objectin...

Red Herrings.

Click on my avatar. The site provides a good one. Read through some of my own topics on thought and belief, meaning, and truth... There's a common the...

Not on my view...

I've been watching, reading, and listening to quite a bit. Which feature?

On what ground does one make this last claim? What metric does one use to distinguish between eye movements and eye movements in a particular directio...

Read my posts here in this thread.

Consciousness comes before self consciousness. Self consciousness is being aware that one has thought and belief. Being conscious is having/forming th...

I said I reject the dichotomy. I've nothing further.

There's no need for talking in phenomenological terms. It adds nothing but unnecessary complexity. It cannot account for that which consists of both s...

Whereas I reject them all on the exact same ground. They all work from grossly inadequate notions of human thought and belief. They all employ some of...

Use that as a measure. Phenomenology is dead in the water.

Some. Not all.

I would agree with Husserl in that regard...

The subjective/objective dichotomy cannot take proper account of that which consists of both, and is thus... neither. Experience is one such thing.

What it's like to experience anything is determined - in large part - by the experiencing creature's thought and belief. Thus, there is no single corr...

That was a serious question and a serious reply thereto. It makes no sense at all to bracket out the tree, when we're talking about seeing the tree.

Attributing thought and belief unique to humans to non humans is not only unwarranted, it's also a misattribution of meaning as well.

So, for some reason or other some folk want to intentionally neglect the tree? :worry: That's what we named it? Investigation over. I'm curious what y...