That is actually a misapprehension based on a misquote. The teacher is only "inclined" to draw the line and say "this is what we do". His desire is no...
Oh the irony. The sense I was saying it was: being understanding. Of the sense as in "knowing", Witt will speak of "mastery of a technique" ("is able ...
Well I won't take this as deliberately obtuse (I assume you have not read the 20 comments at the start trying to iron this out nor the list of additio...
Uhhhh... this is the opposite of understanding. You are never going to get Hegel unless you find a way to meet him on his ground through his terms as ...
Well the full quote is: #574 "A proposition, and hence in another sense a thought, can be the 'expression' of belief, hope, expectation, etc. But beli...
Well... that might be to jump a few steps. If I were going to tell a story, it would start that we learned language and our human lives together. At s...
It's a stubborn bunch. I will say, the understanding of of OLP came over me all at once in a way. I don't believe I have the ability to present a desc...
A concept has possibilities, as life does. These are described by grammar--the difference options ("senses" as Witt says), but, also, some concepts pr...
Yes, for one thing, it appears to be a request. I would say that it is a claim upon me that is open to refusal, despite anything said in support (even...
"Walking in my shoes" as an idiom here would mean trying understand me on my terms rather than subject my terms to your standards of judgment. Try to ...
A concept's grammar" does not "determine" anything. Its possibilities are a part of our lives and the way language can move into new contexts or our l...
The fact that we can switch one synonymous word for another shows that our words don't hold the meaning so much as the context/our lives in a way allo...
I guess in this analogy I would not say a different subject (nor a different theory either), but a better method, as in different than the scientific ...
I'm not going to say it's a terrible place to start but it is only one way, and which gives the impression the word carries its meanings around as a d...
Well Cavell would say the human condition is universal (to humans), in the sense that we are separate bodies. I am responsible for what I say, and ans...
With a lot of this I feel like a few things are happening (which happen between people a lot): 1) you insist on your terms and your framework (and you...
Don't worry about the points. The reason I picked them is it shows the method of OLP - it looks at what we imply, etc. when we say___. And I was tryin...
All: @"Mww"@"Joshs"@"Banno"@"Metaphysician Undercover"@"Srap Tasmaner"@"Luke"@"Janus" I think it might help to see examples of Wittgenstein showing ho...
I hate to say it, because I appreciate the effort, but this is, metaphorically, not even playing baseball in terms of describing OLP. OLP is not a the...
I have been going back and forth with @"Metaphysician Undercover" about the role "concept" plays in the Philosophicl Investigations because it is not ...
Thank you, I understand your being wary of talking about something "higher". A reticence that I have is that philosophy does want something higher, a ...
Well I read the Rorty, and I don't agree that we do not have to go through the history of analytical philosophy to get to a point where we feel the ne...
But we are not talking about "attaining" "agreement" on "ideas" or "meanings". Our lives align (in apologizing) in ways (what is apt or not, how excus...
This is a good point (and I'm glad someone out there is taking up the banner). I have been focusing so much on just getting over some kind of threshol...
Let's just use the term grammar for what OLP is doing and criteria for what traditional philosophy uses, as that is along the lines of a set standard ...
The desire is Cavell explicating what Witt saw that representationalism really wants. Seeing the representation of an object with a word (or any other...
Well I think you are still stuck on something about these words; maybe thinking there is "no such thing as the ordinary way", as if the ordinary way w...
In terms of OLP, this would be the alignment of the criteria of our concepts (our forms of life), their terms of judgment, what counts and how, what m...
'preciate that. Worst name ever. Austin's is not much better. I don't have the patience to give better examples and come up with more text. And I didn...
Nothing metaphysical or factual; just world in the sense of our lives in the world, how we live, which we learn about (the grammar of) through our inv...
@"Mww" I'll leave"applying criteria" alone for now (still not sure what to do with it), only to say that criteria could be described as "unexamined" (...
And what we are looking for in OLP is knowledge of the ways we judge (what criteria we use to) what makes a thing important to us, what counts in its ...
This is perhaps to say, without this picture of the "I" there is no deciding or acting along the ways in which we decide and act. And I understand tha...
Again, it is not ordinary language. It is our ordinary ways of telling an accident from a mistake--the criteria of their identity and employment (gram...
Not sure they are interlinked (but he does categorize them by more general criteria); the concepts he is talking about are a multitude of examples to ...
One thing I realized I need to clear up. The term "language-game" is to say the games we play with a "concept"--what criteria/grammar describe. One pl...
I studied Husserl and Gadamer, as well as by Paul Ricoeur, in studying literary theory along with philosophy. I liked the idea of the "event" that Ric...
One, I think we got off on the wrong foot; I tried to make clear above that OLP does not mean "ordinary" as in everyday language, or just language gen...
Well I guess I haven't done a good enough job with the examples I've tried to give above (re knowledge, apologies). I know that forms of life and fami...
Well Cavell tags it to scepticism, or the tipping point where all the failures of communication and moral confusion lead to the fear that we are never...
Well that is good to point out. Witt does say Essence is expressed by grammar, which is to say, what you want from the idea of an “essence” of a thing...
Thank you for taking the time to read the Cavell (on Wittgenstein). I have read the article on Austin, Ryle, etc. and I do have some thoughts I will s...
OLP is literally letting language--what we say--explain itself. Taking the typical as exemplary; looking at what we typically mean with what we say as...
Point well taken. What I am explaining is a way of doing philosophy in order to understand our world, ourselves, and philosophy's issues. Philosophy i...
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