In the essay of Dewey's that I attached to the original post, he claims, more even than not purporting a explicit version, that democracy is not maint...
Well, democracy is not our participation in a process (say, voting), it is not the granting of power or authority, it is a way we live. It is not codi...
Just that Dewey is not talking about "the process" of democracy, but the conditions of its existence, what makes it what it is (not how it works, but ...
What I wanted to convey is that for Dewey democracy is not come to through argument. The way in which we come to democracy is through pledging our all...
To tie this back in, there is not an argument for democracy; Dewey is describing democracy without advocating for it because equality and freedom are ...
I understand you feel the lack of power here, and you are not wrong. When Dewey reacts to those chiding his call for democracy as a "utopia", it is in...
Plato thought that knowledge was greater than or equal to virtue; that, if we knew what the good was, we'd do it. But I side with Emerson, who says "c...
I need more. Are we asking why tyranny? as if, what does tyranny have to do with democracy? say, when we are off searching for the right and good in o...
. We do not need to agree on or share interests or needs; and the means for discussing those are just the conditions of the world as they are. Yes, Ga...
But Dewey is reacting to tyranny, just as the founders did, even mentioning a simpler time when it was strictly physical tyranny rather than the tyran...
It seems obvious to say yes; sometimes when we are intransigent, others where we do not have common-enough interests to make disagreement possible. Bu...
To the extent we allow ourselves to fall into what Dewey calls cliques, sects, and antagonistic factions (which I take as what you mean by “politics”)...
I'd be interested to know where that ties in to the tradition, but I don't take Dewey as wanting to separate the two; only for us to see that knowledg...
[reply="NOS4A2;735871" To understand, what would the victims remember? And to what gain? I'm also interested in your bringing up the forces against de...
Despite the title of this discussion (being provocative simply to draw attention), I wouldn’t say Dewey is against institutions or truth or science or...
I'm not arguing against this; the picture of mental processes is of the kind of "hidden" thing under discussion here (one example among others like ru...
Witt is looking at how our practices work and break down, including why we abandon our ordinary criteria. The approach above is caught in the trap Wit...
Categorizing each other, rather than responding to our claims and readings, diminishes our effort to personally respond to a text or discussion and le...
I am not assuming it, I am making a claim that Witt is thinking of the moral realm as something particular, yet different. You just denied he is, with...
I think it will help to show the differentiation I'm trying to make about "the ordinary" to point out that we are not talking about the obvious, surfa...
I get that and it’s appreciated, but I’m only left to speculate where you’re going without a claim to a certain interpretation of the quotations and t...
You're assuming what ethics and moral philosophy looks like. Aren't the subjects of thoughtfulness, understanding, teaching, treating people as more t...
So science can change our picture of the world, even our vision of ourselves. It finds the anomalous, the contradictory, and we are certain it is not ...
No, I was revisiting Witt's claim we are discussing in the PI. I would think science's shifts in paradigms (to reconcile new facts, etc.) offer it the...
"What a Copernicus or a Darwin really achieved was not the discovery of a new true theory but a fertile point of view." (CV 18) The point of view that...
But this is science and empiricism (repeatability by anyone allowing for stability and certainty). This is the “explanation” that Philosophy for Witt ...
But the Pi does not only morally implore us to take certain actions, but to do so in the name of our betterment, not only in thinking, understanding, ...
They are our ordinary criteria; how we judge that a thing (or act) is that thing, what matters for it, counts in our culture, etc., and for each thing...
I absolutely agree. Instead of wanting some specific criteria, we come to see our ordinary means of judgment and identity and felicity as good enough....
@"Luke" brings up an excellent quote that furthers the discussion here through a distinction in the senses of “hidden”. What Witt is talking about is ...
Yes, I agree that philososphy believed in hidden things (still does). But Wittgenstein did not "crack the code" in the sense of solve the problem. He ...
“This is the very fixation that I have been discussing this whole time” — Antony Nickles So if we are in agreement, I must have been confused in takin...
This is the very fixation that I have been discussing this whole time, which Wittgenstein investigates in the PI (though starting out we “do not yet s...
I'm not sure where you are finding that Wittgenstein assumes that the world is intelligible, or whether that is your prerequisite. I would agree in th...
Since I donate, I can attach files; so attached is the Meno, by Plato, which is I believe the text under discussion about the knowledge of virtue. The...
I did not mean a "mental picture", which would just be us picturing something to ourselves, which, as he says, is analogous to a picture like a painti...
Well it appears the use of "picture" that I am focused on is not the only way in which Witt uses that word in the PI (there are more than 300 instance...
Representation was the wrong word; what I was talking about was a picture, like meaning as correspondence (word to world). I agree that a broad view a...
It is a "picture" that held him captive in the Tract. He does not reject a condition, he rejects pictures; that there is a single framework we have, o...
To clarify, I am not saying Witt is denying personal experience in the PI; just that the only options are not so black-and-white as my experience or s...
The picture of "representation" of the world, or what is the case, is what is taken apart in the PI as the product off the requirement for a crystalli...
Even with Witt--someone classed as an "ordinary language philosopher"--he has terms, like, criteria, grammar, aspect, etc. But his way of doing philos...
I guess the analogy--of something "hidden"--here isn't straightforward. But, if we require certainty for moral deliberations, it "hides" the ordinary ...
So we could both agree that it is true that we can not ensure agreement in ethical and aesthetic dialogue; agree that that is part of the grammar of t...
He's within and responding to the tradition of western analytic philosophy (the problem of other minds, epistemology, ethics, education, skepticism, e...
Maybe it would have been clearer to say that picturing "perception" as something special happening in us (as if, all the time) is mystifying what is j...
I was trying to fill out Witt's story of how philosophy is led to imagine and search for something "hidden", rather than working with what is in plain...
The term ordinary language philosophy was coined to refer to Wittgenstein's method, not a position that he is for or against (though Moore and others ...
In distinguishing what is viewable from what is hidden (the doable from the fantasy), I take "working on oneself" to be an ethical admonishment--work ...
That "everything lies open" is not to say it is clearly evident, but that we do not need special access or are learning anything new or creating a spe...
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