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In my first example, I in fact had the modern army in mind. And then I mentioned the Greek hoplites as military histories like Carnage focus on the wa...

So in what technical sense is neoliberalism a tyranny? I'm not saying that such an argument couldn't be made. But I'm asking you to make it. You have ...

Agreed. Even simple systems are as well. :up: Your problem is that you don't even recognise when your examples of non-hierarchical systems are example...

So when hierarchies go bad? Or "all hierarchy is bad"? Which claim do you mean to defend? Your questions are mind-numbingly monotonic. I've tried to g...

Precisely right. The whole fossil fuel adventure was predicated on being able to treat the environment as a costless sink. That was a presumption buil...

Instead of making hopeful sounds that people have no choice but to agree with you, why not make a considered argument. For example, why did Marxist id...

Has Banno actually read Simon? He contributed an excellent chapter to the 1973 classic edited by Howard Pattee - Hierarchy Theory: The Challenge of Co...

It might be helpful to talk about this in the language that network theory has created for itself. So your peer-to-peer revolution created a flat land...

Have you read Peirce?

Your criticisms are still too vague and unfocused. If you think Nature has an alternative, just spell out what that would look like. Does Nature have ...

Not Hegel but Peirce. And Peirce was a scientist. His orientation was probabilistic and thus thermodynamic.

A hierarchy as understood in an organic systems sense, and not just a mechanistic construction sense, is a natural balance of complementary impulses. ...

The advantage was removing the real world physical limitations on open connectivity. The internet created a world of pure information flows where the ...

As if your opinion is backed by any familiarity with that science. :yawn:

Is that more dangerous then folk invoking supernatural order? And did you miss the bit where I said if you understand natural order, then you can actu...

My point was that IBM was trying to preserve the world it knew, which was still a pretty small world. It owned the data processing market with it 370 ...

It definitely doesn’t. Although now you mention it, IBM did push the 80:20 rule as a primitive expression of the powerlaw story. I actually did edit a...

Sure. Don’t bother with the science. Sounds like a plan.

It is the same as the wealth inequality story. We can't accuse neoliberalism of having a malign intent. It is just a fact of exponential growth that i...

That's not hierarchy theory as such. In hierarchy theory, it is about global constraints imposed on local degrees of freedom. And in self-organisation...

You keep failing to substantiate your "criticisms". What do you mean by "tyranny" exactly? Where is the evidence that cannibalism lacks evolutionary c...

Am I being too subtle? The hardware was hierarchical because that's just the naturally efficient way to organise the world so it can handle a traffic ...

You think that hierarchy theory is about stacking levels up like construction bricks? It's actually about forming levels. The symmetry breakings that ...

Thanks. I'm quite familiar with all that. I was around when IBM was pushing LU6.2.

What exception did you have in mind?

Sounds legit. Did you want that lack of hierarchical order computer generated or nature generated?.... https://i.stack.imgur.com/i34sE.png Bleeding Ho...

So the peer-to-peer is implemented at a software level ... not the hardware level? And the article was about the hardware level. And then at the softw...

So it's a salient feature unless it's not? Well, that clears up any confusion I guess. The question is about nature and why it does in fact organise i...

The internet is hierarchical in its hardware design - https://www.hierarchystructure.com/internets-hierarchical-structure/ But much more interestingly...

And in what evolutionary context exactly? Let's have a little more precision in our arguments. The easily available anthropological examination of whe...

Yep. Or indeed, the way that definitions are "perfect" is that they only attempt to constrain interpretation in a suitably general fashion. The approp...

The brand of hierarchy theory I am talking about is the one that comes out of theoretical biology. So it is the modern science-based view of self orga...

As you see it? If you knew something about hierarchy theory, then your opinions might carry more weight. I gave you a simple example of the organisati...

Right. So the theory says top down constraints and bottom up construction must be opposed forces in balance. And guess what? Humans figured out that d...

But only one of them theorises that the brain predicts its inputs. And that view also happens to accord with the facts. This is Friston’s now classic ...

Usual evolutionary logic applies. If it works, it will survive. What would that tyranny look like? How often would it occur in Nature where hierarchy ...

That's how hierarchy theory works. It is about the dialectical interaction between parts and wholes. And the two have to complement each other for the...

Reading more bits in detail, my criticism remains. Even as a computational approach, it is the wrong computational approach. You are thinking of the b...

I admit I only skimmed the intro stuff. But it's all familiar material to me. So I will plunge in with my immediate reaction - apologies for the blunt...

But maths treats infinity as a "discrete" whole. You have infinities of many different "sizes". Everyone complains this is paradoxical. However really...

But the very idea of this gap involves an interval. The hole is not a dimensionless point. It is a continuous length of river bed itself. So again, th...

Don’t flows wash away discrete marks? How do you mark the surface of a river?

So all you are saying that a continuum only makes sense to us if we can imagine stepping along it in discrete steps. That is my point. We can’t really...

You are positing a... something... between your discernment and the waffle? Curious. Sounds like a modelling relation with reality - indirect realism ...

I’ll tell you what I find to be a productive habit of thought. I will defend an idea to the death while someone is disagreeing with it. But as soon as...

To extract a principle here, I would note how this method involves a reduction in dimensionality. An abstraction that results from taking a step back ...

Nature is contrast. So it is both continuous and discrete ... these two ideal states describing the limits towards which it can tend, but never fully ...

:up: Top book. You might like Stan Salthe’s more technical treatment in his two hierarchy theory books. On the discrete vs continuous issue, he highli...

Nah. You’re just demonstrating you know fuck all about physics again. And you have a weak bladder. :hearts:

As if you have ever checked out the maths of the Planck constants and understood their reciprocal relations. :lol: It’s Saturday morning. Time for Ban...