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You must admit that you come across as having the one true interpretation of quantum physics when the interpretation issue is famously wide open. And ...
November 22, 2016 at 22:26
Truth arises as a property of a relation between mind and world. So MU is in the right here, but needs to take it a step further. The crucial thing is...
November 22, 2016 at 22:18
It is hard to make sense of your post. But in a general fashion, physics does make use of this kind of "projection from a higher dimension" thinking. ...
November 22, 2016 at 21:42
Well yes and no, because vagueness would be the ground state - in being the state "beyond categorisation". And also, in the full semiotic view, catego...
November 22, 2016 at 21:01
You are ignoring the fact that I said the category from which complementary distinctions originate is the third category of vagueness. All categorisat...
November 22, 2016 at 04:04
Incompleteness certainly has something to do with it. We know from quantum uncertainty that not every physical situation is measurable. So good luck w...
November 22, 2016 at 03:24
If you want to defend this particular categorical separation, go right ahead. My point is that you can only do it via some kind of dichotomistic "othe...
November 22, 2016 at 02:37
Which is all well and good, but then arises the question of "manifested from what"? Even Platonism demanded its chora so that imperfect reality could ...
November 22, 2016 at 01:09
This is the guts of it. The interpretive hang-ups arise because there is this feeling that physicalist ontology must make a sharp distinction between ...
November 22, 2016 at 00:45
Where does MWI require the interference to happen between particle histories rather than within particle histories?
November 21, 2016 at 23:59
But again, quantum mechanics is not claiming the situation to be (classically) physical. That is why it talks about probability waves and not classica...
November 21, 2016 at 23:39
Once we get to the cosmic scale, then things turn mathematical. We can start looking for the inescapable truths of symmetry and symmetry breaking. Tha...
November 21, 2016 at 22:54
Yet still, you are not saying what you mean by non-physically real. I don't particularly defend the term "probability wave" as its sounds overly concr...
November 21, 2016 at 22:50
But I also generalise the notion of apparatus so that the Cosmos is "an apparatus". It does have a past history that acts as a constraint on quantum i...
November 21, 2016 at 22:24
That's fine. So what is it in a "real but non-physical" sense? I've already explained my own view of that - which tallies broadly with modern informat...
November 21, 2016 at 22:17
You appear not to be able get beyond chanting Deutsch and MWI in monotonous cult-like fashion.
November 21, 2016 at 21:57
I note that you failed to reply on Orzel's points.
November 21, 2016 at 21:43
There is plenty of "physical energy" represented in the experimental apparatus set up to make the quantum observation. So - given my contextual view o...
November 21, 2016 at 21:34
I'm happy to trade both locality and realism for contextuality. ;)
November 21, 2016 at 21:08
It may seem a subtle point, but what I said was there was no (classically-imagined) particle. There was "an evolving wave of probability of detecting ...
November 21, 2016 at 21:03
Again, who is saying time is a factor in the sense that multiple events need to accumulate for there to be quantum interference?
November 21, 2016 at 11:10
But again, this isn't a physical interference of the kind we imagine with classical material waves. It is the analogous "interference" of probability ...
November 21, 2016 at 09:38
So are you saying the two paths of an individual quantum event don't interfere due to superposition? And bear in mind that we are talking about the in...
November 21, 2016 at 06:02
Do you get the complementarity principle? Is one description right and the other wrong? Or are both a reflection of some chosen measurement basis?
November 21, 2016 at 05:34
Rather than getting upset, show that you understand what you are talking about. Again, in what way does the event by event accumulation of a twin slit...
November 21, 2016 at 02:53
...and you can't see how you just contradicted yourself? In the real world, every set-up is particular, and so a particularisation of the wavefunction...
November 21, 2016 at 01:45
You mean the pattern isn't the function of other particle histories. The pattern is simply a function of the fact the same maze, the same apparatus, i...
November 20, 2016 at 23:05
The issue of course is that we have no good explanation in terms of concrete commonsense notions. So you are not going to get the kind of answer you a...
November 20, 2016 at 22:42
The interference is from the fact that the particle can take two possible paths through the twin slits. So it is about the particle and the apparatus,...
November 20, 2016 at 21:25
That was another Tom in another world breaking through. By his own logic, his every possible state of belief is a real macrostate. So it hardly matter...
November 17, 2016 at 05:42
So I'm guessing you didn't even read that Orzel link you posted in rebuttal? I actually asked a serious question. You might have had some worthwhile p...
November 17, 2016 at 03:46
Not sure why entering a macro superposition state is any less magical than exiting it. The bare quantum formalism still requires its "observer", even ...
November 17, 2016 at 03:43
And how does that connect with what Orzel (or I) have argued? The point is that even if you step back from many actual worlds - Tegmark's parallelism ...
November 17, 2016 at 02:04
So it is clear Orzel indeed has you stumped because you can offer no analysis at all. But just saying "nope" is not going to get you out of the hole h...
November 17, 2016 at 01:26
But physics can't claim to talk directly about what is real. All it can claim is to talk in a fashion that is systematically constrained by "the evide...
November 17, 2016 at 01:20
Glad you think so. But I note you are avoiding saying whether you agree with his essential point. Whereas many MWI proponents get quite fundamentalist...
November 16, 2016 at 11:28
I think you are agreeing with me on pragmatism. And as I say, that is what comes through from Heisenberg. But also Einstein got it in that he said (in...
November 16, 2016 at 11:13
But what does it mean for the collapse to be real (and the wavefunction not real) in Heisenberg's Kantian view? He talks about an epistemic collapse -...
November 16, 2016 at 11:06
As you say, even if you go back to Bohr and Heisenberg, you can't recover some pure CI position. And perhaps I should have said pragmatist or logical ...
November 16, 2016 at 02:15
CI itself comes in a rainbow of variants. But the central idea in my view is that in the end what we can be sure of is that we don't know how to defin...
November 16, 2016 at 01:32
Rather than being defensive, why not critique Orzel from your point of view? That would be more interesting.
November 16, 2016 at 01:16
I'm hardly ignoring the quantum zeno effect. Remember that that too requires "perfect watching" to stop the particle ever decaying. So it is both rema...
November 16, 2016 at 01:14
You do realise that that makes you a super-strength pragmatist? :) You aren't thinking of yourself as a CI proponent in the "consciousness causes coll...
November 16, 2016 at 00:43
Yep. But then MWI seems to be an example of applying fuzzy logic interpretations to those successful mathematical formalisms. Which would be ironic. S...
November 16, 2016 at 00:25
That's still a triadic move. My point was that to speak about "pure experience" is already to have leapt from the monadic position of "just experienci...
November 13, 2016 at 10:53
Sorry. which of those questions is about pragmatism rather than being an expression of pragmatism?
November 06, 2016 at 00:21
But if that is so, then we are only dealing with a known unknown. And if my epistemology accepts that there can be unknown unknowns, then it is reacti...
November 05, 2016 at 23:05
Nothing much one could say to that gibberish.
November 05, 2016 at 22:55
Superheroes spell out the American Dream - transcendent individualism. So it is the logical endpoint of the romantic mythologising of the "self-made s...
November 05, 2016 at 22:53
The clue is in the fact you have to mention the experiencer.
November 05, 2016 at 22:34