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Yes, all I meant by "inspiring" was something like "being a catalyst for new ideas and feelings". I can't see how it is not that way, discursively spe...

But is it possible to say anything intelligible about that experience? (I'm not referring to poetic language here, I'm thinking of propositional intel...

I'm accepting what @"Mww" presented regarding Kant's intent, which does not equate noumena with things in themselves, but that leaves me wondering wha...

Yes. I think abstract reasoning and language are codependent; you could not learn to think in abstract terms without language, and you could not learn...

So, do you think abstract reasoning is possible without language?

Because abstract reasoning requires symbols, no? Note, I'm not saying all reasoning requires language.

Is abstract reasoning not all and only a matter of language use?

If noumena are not to be equated with things in themselves then I have no idea what noumena are, whereas I have some grasp of what it means to be a th...

As @"Mww" has pointed out, and if he is right, things in themselves are not noumena. We know things via the senses, but whatever they are beyond our c...

Do you mean it is "useful" in the sense of being inspiring?

We understand what a chiliagon is only because we understand what "a one-thousand-sided polygon" means. We know what "a thousand" means, and of course...

Thanks...that's a very good summary Mww. Of course, it leaves a lot unanswered, but seemingly at least not about what Kant himself thought. Which is, ...

Dave Chapelle knows that Trump knows what's going on: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lNi9DIVkXpo

I can relate to that. But if multiplicity depends on naming and cannot exist without it, then it would certainly seem to follow that, unless animals p...

Does it follow that there is no multiplicity (difference) for animals?

Thanks for your helpful answer Mww, I should point out that I edited the question from to read because I realized that it would not be possible to giv...

I think that this is wrong as an understanding of the CPR, whose project was to determine the limits of pure reason. On the other hand, take into acco...

Right, I understand that the things which appear to us are things in themselves, but of course their appearances are not. So, can you give me an examp...

If only objects of the senses, that is those things which appear to us as objects, are things in themselves, would space, time, causality and the perc...

Sounds straight out of Heidegger.

We are not going to agree about this, but that's OK.

I think this is right. It's probably mostly committed believers and disbelievers who do argue for their preferred metaphysical standpoints, probably b...

Perhaps so...

That's alright, I never understood the point of your responses from the start of the present conversation.

It may be interesting in the context of the history of ideas. I know Christianity absorbed and repurposed some Neoplatonic ideas, but there is no pers...

I already told I don't have expert opinions. I know Aristotle had multiple proofs of a first cause, a "designer", I just don't remember what they all ...

I don't have an "expert opinion" since I am not a scholar of Ancient Greek philosophy, but the argument from first causes, for example, presupposes th...

Sure, but that is "a shared context of faith": scholastic philosophers presupposed the validity of orthodox theology. For example, Anselm's 'ontologic...

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Treating religious stories as literature, which may convey wisdom, as any good literature may, is not the same as arguing pointlessly over the existen...

If I misunderstood you, and you are not condemning religion holus bolus, then perhaps we have no argument after all.

:kiss: Do you mean important for determining what will come about in politics and economy, or determining the truth or determining whether there is a ...

Well there are conceptual or abstract entities: for example numbers or generalities. An entity as I use the term is anything identifiable, whether con...

As I understand it Kant asserted that every thought is. implicitly at least, an "I think", but he does not take this to entail that the I is something...

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Yes, well he's become...quixotic...

Cheers, I appreciate the appreciation.

In that case, don't take a simplistic view, but instead a nuanced one, and condemn the nefarious purposes and not religion as a whole. It's pretty obv...

You are right I'm not surprised at all. :smile: :cool:

I think there should be motive enough for extending what one cares about beyond the self in the fact that caring only for the self is an attitude base...

No, it does not follow that if something is defined in terms of not being something else, that it is that thing. In fact, it's precisely the opposite,...

I understood it that time. In theory something could have a relation with just one other thing, but I doubt that is possible in actuality. Take anythi...

I wasn't suggesting that irreligious philosophers are not interested in arguing their viewpoint against religion when they are presented with claims t...

That's because religious philosophy only has meaning to the religious, it's not so much a taboo as a rejection based on lack of interest on the part o...

Sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult, but the question is incoherent to me: I cannot get any conceptual grasp on it. From memory and roughly paraphra...

Right, I should have explicitly included that, but I understood that was implicit in what I said, since I think that part of religious practice includ...

Going back to the OP, I agree that EP, in its extreme from is implausible. I don't buy the idea that the genesis of every social phenomenon can someho...

Philosophy used to be under the aegis of religion, now it has become secular, which really just amounts to becoming concerned with this world rather t...

I think you're exaggerating.

How about some nuance, some context? I think @"Mikie" means that talk about religion and Gods is a waste of time, not that practicing religion is, for...