Janus

And yet when I tell you I think it all comes down to faith and feeling and that nothing discursive can be known via meditation, intuition or enlighten...

I believe I did: I addressed the above and pinpointed what I thought was the salient problem with the reasoning. Perhaps I wasn't explicit enough, eve...

I've given an argument that in my personal opinion refutes the OP. In your personal opinion it does not refute the OP. I'd be disappointed if I had to...

The mistake you are making is believing that I think there are moral propositions, when I think I have made it quite clear that I don't think there ar...

The mistake you are making is believing that I think there are moral propositions, when I think I have made it quite clear that I don't think there ar...

I've already told you why I disagree with it. But, I'll try a different tack (which amounts to the same thing): That it exists doesn't contradict the ...

No, "apologists" denoting anyone who desperately (and futilely) tries to find intellectual justification for believing what they wish to be so, in spi...

You merely define it as "what should be". That doesn't tell us what should be, and since there are obviously many aspects of existence that, at least ...

That's because you are religiously blind, don't you know? :wink: With apologists it always comes down to "you must not understand" if you disagree wit...

Death is feared because it represents the radically unknown, the radically unknowable, and this is naturally profoundly unsettling, as the very idea o...

I already said why I don't think it works, because it all depends on what objective goodness is (assuming for the sake of argument that there is any s...

Such an analysis would need an objectively good object of analysis, and that object would be "The Good" if it existed.

What is the difference between there being an objective morality and there being The Good? What would there being an objective mporaity look like for ...

Do you mean something like 'If there is the Good, then existence must be good'? Buddhism proposes that the Good would be the end of suffering, and tha...

The problem is you are treating moral "propositions" as though they are empirical, logical or mathematical propositions. You can't or won't say what k...

You can be shown to be wrong about logical, mathematical and empirical claims. How could you go about showing that someone is wrong regarding a metaph...

I don't think so. Make your argument and we'll see how it stands up. No, most people hold to finding murder, rape, etc., morally wrong because they fe...

If torturing babies is wrong because normal people think it is wrong then it is true that it is wrong for most people, I have not claimed anything bey...

Right, but I was talking about commonality of particular perceptions, for example seeing the same things in the same places and being able to agree ab...

How would that work?

My view is that although what things are in themselves is unknowable, we have good reason to think that the structures of things constrain how we perc...

I'm saying that for me to say torturing babies is wrong is equivalent to me saying I believe torturing babies is wrong. Og course the two sentences ar...

No I didn't, I asked what could make something wrong beyond it being believed to be so. If I believe something is wrong, then that belief is sufficien...

I haven't anywhere said the two sentences are semantically equivalent. Are you going to answer the question, which is exactly the same question I've b...

We know what would make "aliens exist" true. We don't know what would make torturing babies wrong, other than that it is (presumably) deeply felt to b...

On the strength of what would I be obligated? And what would it mean for such a claim to be true beyond my feeling or thinking it to be so? Would ther...

There is nothing about any moral proposition that obligates anyone to adhere to it. If torturing babies is morally repugnant to me, I am unlikely to t...

I agree it doesn't amount to reasoning in symbolic language, since animals don't have symbolic language. Again, I agree, but that historical backgroun...

I think it is fine to refer to logical principles, numbers, conventions, qualifiers and so on as objects of thought, by analogy to the way we refer to...

Just tell me concisely, and without bringing in other authorities, what evidence or rational support you think there is for the reality of universals....

Reading those you have cited, I would say they make the same mistake you do: the mistake of thinking that there is a rational case to be made in the a...

I've noticed that if anyone disagrees with you or questions your ideas you fall back on the claim that they don't understand. I think that if you unde...

In the same way the rules of chess, or the value of money could be said to exist and be mind-independent. Likewise for the perfect form of the turd or...

Below is quoted from you on this; Kant's phenomenal/ noumenal distinction as I understand it is not between sense objects and abstracta, but between w...

If an object has a unique identifying chemical composition and mass "naturally" would this qualify it as being one thing naturally? If we go down the ...

Thanks for your response. I have a full-on week of work starting tomorrow, so it may take me a while to respond further, but I'll just say one thing f...

I don't understand what you mean by saying: Can you explain? If torturing babies is morally repugnant to me, then why can I not say that it is truly m...

We don't see individual objects in isolation, but as embedded in and different from their surroundings, so difference if not a property of some putati...

I don't see why it should be a "tough sell". If diversity, sameness and difference are acknowledged as being real, then number would seem to naturally...

I think mathematics is an empirical (as well as logical) endeavor also, so we agree on that. But note I said number is real, not numbers. If number is...

It would help the conversation if you quoted the entirety of passages instead of truncating them. In any case, the underlined section of your response...

Are you not arguing for two kinds of reality—the reality of the body and the different reality of the mind? This just seems to be an ad hominem deflec...

Not quite sure what you're driving at, but logic was always a formalization of what is understood to be the necessary characteristics of real things.

I read it and agree with @"Banno" that you are saying there are two realities—the physical ("sensable") and the mental (abstract) which is basically d...

I don't see that quoted passage from @"Wayfarer" as an argument. I think he continues to ignore the fact that number is real; it is merely diversity, ...

And then we may face the problem of insufficient workforce to sustain the population.

If it is not your claim, did you refer to the article in order to agree or disagree with it? It's not a separate issue if we include mathematical unde...

Can you state just why you think that incompatibility obtains? Many animals appear to have extraordinary capabilities, capabilities that we call insti...

Those are all good examples and points. What I wonder about is whether. assuming all but necessary wastage could be eliminated, even distribution of p...

You seem to misunderstand moral subjectivism. Beliefs do not make moral, or any other, propositions true or false per se, but moral subjectivists may ...