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Are you sure that God is real only in the human imagination? It is often said that God is not an objective, in the sense of empirical, being. Is the c...

OK, still not getting it, but I won't press further. :smile:

Another thought I had is substituting the idea of relation for the idea of predication. So, a red apple would be a particular relational complex compr...

Sorry BC I just cannot agree that the attempt to think the nature of the God, absolute, the infinite, the eternal or whatever you want to call it, is ...

That seems like a very informed analysis Pierre-Normand :smile: It seems you have indeed seen something interesting where I could not. I guess I'm fam...

If, for example, theology is a waste of time for you, does it follow that it is a waste of time for all others?

How would any of this preclude the possibility that they are talking past one another? The point is that they are considering consciousness from very ...

And I'm a f-ool to boot... :grin:

Said the faux-owl cuckoo...

No, I would say the opposite; that belief is primordially expectation-based. With language of course it may become more elaborate and free itself from...

No, as usual with these kinds of debates; they are simply talking past one another. Nothing to see here, folks...

I don't think it is appropriate to talk in terms of the subject/object dichotomy when it comes to pre-reflective experience. This kind of talk is a pr...

Nice to know I'm on a list somewhere... :cool: Ahhhh...

My God your a bloviating bastard! :heart:

Indeed! I would like to add 'seeing' to that list, though.

Thanks for the horrible audio/video! :joke: OK, they could be added to your original list, but neither they nor the items on your list are unequivocal...

I could agree that pre-linguistic believing involves forming expectation(s) ("forming" in the sense that expectations could be changing), but what, ov...

I'm still not sure what this means, fdrake. But... would not the fact that the changes are parallel constitute correlation?

Of course there may be some similarities; we are both English-speaking humans after all. :joke: What list would that be?

Again you are missing the distinction between pre-linguistic believing (which I think should be called 'expecting') and linguistic having of beliefs. ...

What creativesoul is missing with these supposed analogies is that believing is more of a process, a doing, than it is a having. I tried to point this...

:cool: It raises the question as to whether the metaphoric suggestiveness of allusion that characterizes good poetry is necessarily philosophical. On ...

If so, he doesn't use them, he ab-uses them. :joke:

Yes, I think it's more of the case that pretentious people can invite themselves to do philosophy, or art, or write poetry, or compose music, or....

And I imagine you would even less want to come out in a conclusive rash, or even worse a concluding rash?

Very cute! Original? Or source?

If you know how to use the word then you know what you are talking about. It seems to me that you are asking what an idea *really* is in some imagined...

Are you seriously suggesting you don't know what an idea is?

What do you mean "sounds kind of Platonic"?

Of course there is something they have in common; it's pretty obvious.. There are certain ideas they both don't accept.

Is the "is" the essential element of predication? If so, then are Sellar's examples 'bold X' and 'X above Y' really any different than if we drop the ...

Sorry, man, you lost me there. My brain is soft when it comes to that kinda stuff. :cry:

Never give a wanker a chance not to dance to the crack of the whip. I am_________of your___________

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Are you asking whether correlation is sufficient to constitute a a dependence relation? If that's the question, ...

I don't think that's right. Supervenience is an asymmetrical relationship: a dependence relation. To say that the mind supervenes on the brain is to s...

That's true. Simulations maybe... :joke:

It is you who is wrong here. I wasn't wrong, because I was asking a question, not asserting anything (although I might have been suggesting something ...

The problem I have with what you are saying is that it still subtly presupposes the subject/object dichotomy. We can objectify experience and thus com...

So, you aver that you do have a superior grasp of the common-sense understanding of life, but that it is not sufficient, and your aim is to gain a com...

If you have such a superior grasp of the common-sense understanding of what reality is and you are self-satisfied with it, then why do you bother with...

I agree with you, but the materialist will say that first-personness is a material phenomenon, which we misunderstand to be an immaterial phenomenon. ...

Conscious experience is never the object of experience in the moment of experience, rather the object(s) of the experience are. In that sense we do no...

:cool:

Was that a statement or a question? :lol:

You backing down so easy?

Very questionable...

Your statement was a questioning of Sam's statement....

Tink, baby, tink...

Could you state your question again? :rofl:

True, but biological self-organization is of a different order than the kinds of self-organization manifested by hurricanes. The latter are the result...