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I would not use 'division' but 'distinction' or 'difference'. It seems obvious that there must be differences, for example differences in local energy...

It seems obvious that this can never be proven, and that it is an ill-formed question; but it also seems self-evident that the things (patterns or ene...

Yes, but things only exist in forms. So water exists in the form of puddles, lakes, waterfalls, oceans, waves, and so on. The form of water we call a ...

You said that a wave is a pattern, and a wave certainly has weight and mass and can affect things. I'm not sure what you mean by "becomes you". When y...

I was agreeing that atomistic thinking can be a problem. I also think holistic thinking is possible, so I don't agree that atomistic thinking is inher...

It's not clear to me why you would say that. I think a good definition of existence is Peirce's, which states that something exists if it can affect o...

Sorry about the delayed response, Jake. I do generally agree with what you say, but I think the kind of atomistic thinking which underlies the idea th...

Again, this is a poor analogy. there is nothing original about morality. About any issue you can have just three basic positions: for, against or indi...

Well, apart from any QM theoretical connections which I probably wouldn't understand anyway, since I can't do the math, I can see no reason to believe...

It's prevalence not popularity; to call it popularity is inapt.

In practice, though, your morality is not going to differ form the vast majority unless you're one of the deviant few; so it is not uniquely yours, an...

So, you'd do the same to an individual as you would to a corporation then? Just for the money? As to meta-ethics; I don't believe there is any such co...

Of course they are not really "objective" they are inter-subjective. And we might judge them according to their efficacy in promoting harmonious relat...

It's all but universal, and that's what matters. The anomalies of a deviant few are irrelevant. Ah, the romantic fantasy of the individualist! You're ...

From the article: But Proietti and co’s result suggests that objective reality does not exist. In other words, the experiment suggests that one or mor...

I agree with the caveat that there actually is no pure subjectivity or objectivity.

On the broader issues it is, for all intents and purposes, universal. The fact that there might be some deviants who think that what most people consi...

That should be obvious; I am talking about the context of inter-subjectively shared values being the overarching context within which, perhaps even ag...

Yes, and the objective standard (although obviously it is not an object) is the shared set of mores which have evolved. But there is no absolutely 'ha...

Individuals are part of the inter-subjective web, not totally autonomous, self-creating atoms.

Those beliefs are objectively immoral if you count universal inter-subjective agreement as being objective. But I would see that agreement as being so...

Yes, I think Kant was right about the contradiction involved in saying that lying, theft, exploitation, theft , murder, etc. are good, but he was wron...

I can't see why you would say that. If the vast majority of people agree, that is feel the same way, about the broader moral issues: theft, deception,...

How would you justify that to yourself? As I see it "the debate that's going on" is itself a litany of irrelevancies and category errors.

This is true if you are holding to a notion of individual subjectivity. If you hold to a notion of collective subjectivity or inter-subjectivity, then...

Depends on what you mean by "moral law", Mww...

It muddies the waters because it is a false, or at least weak, analogy. We don't tend to care much what others like to eat, provided it doesn't smell ...

Yes, and I maintain that, and also that I am not appealing to populism, in using what most people agree about regarding what is morally right and wron...

Exactly!

You think that only because you are apparently incapable of reading what I write except through the lens of your own presuppositions, which I don't sh...

There is no "objectivity" in the context of moral philosophy and you're confusing yourself by thinking there is. Here's an example: I'm not saying tha...

'Healthy' in the social context of subjective interaction, just means 'able to function harmoniously within the context of general subjective moral fe...

So, you believe that all preferences are possible in an emotionally healthy individual; you don't allow that there might be moral health or sickness j...

It's not an argument ad populum; it's an acknowledgement that there is an inherently normative aspect to what makes a healthy human subject; and valui...

I don't think it's a good way of explaining it at all. Culinary and moral preferences are not at all of equal consequence to human life. Aesthetic tas...

Of course there is. Individual subjective views are more or less consonant with general subjective human good will. Only the sociopath (if they are be...

No, not per any particular individual's judgement. Think of it this way; some subjective views are poison, and others are manna. The subjective view t...

I think the notion of objectivity is confusing you here. You are thinking that two subjective judgements must be from an objective point of view equal...

Some judgements are better than others; the word "objectively" is meaningless in this context, unless it refers to something like 'in accordance with ...

Sure, every art critic has their own judgements which will differ from others. The point is that some judgements are better than others just as some w...

Spot on!

I think the point is that morality is more of an art than a science. Think about the arts; there are real differences in quality between different wor...

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So, Silicon Valley and the IT-sector have made no profit for decades, and provided no return for investors? 11 million barrels per day...etc.might not...

I can understand that: I like new technologies myself. Unfortunately it seems that consumerism won't be voluntarily ended, so perhaps there won't be a...

I think this thread has now gone way off-topic, so I''ll just say that I am not confident that renewable technologies can be developed without mining ...

I don't believe the answer is more technology, but rather a change of mindset away from advocating and relying upon the kinds of technologies which re...

That's because we have only had two or three hundred years to accomplish the task of our self-destruction (compliments of the massive cheap energy of ...

True they cause disasters for us; but it is we who are causing greater disasters for ourselves as well as the rest of nature on this planet at least.

Here is where the true nature of your (and when I say 'your' I am also referring, by implication, to the collective we) ignorance is so beautifully an...