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It's a nice poem!

I've seen purported arguments, nothing cogent or convincing. The way you are defending this seems to be like the way the religious defend their faiths...

I've read pretty much the entire thread and have seen no cogent explanation. Can you point to a post with an explanation that you think would explain ...

A useless comment without explanation.

This is itself a nonsense conclusion: if it makes sense to doubt whether others are in pain, then that means that we do not know with certainty that t...

The absurdity of the argument, it's non-entity even as a cogent argument, that pain is socially constructed, linguistically mediated and public, that ...

I'm not "playing the skeptic game"; I allow that we have knowledge. For me knowledge is defined as what we are reasonably entitled to claim based on i...

Right, so I have been saying that a Guru's "expertise" or lack of cannot be demonstrated in a way that a musician's, artist's, engineer's, doctor's, e...

Thanks cs, I cannot commit to full participation in a reading group due to lack of time and too many commitments atm, but I would be sure to read thro...

This quote is the title of a book written and drawn by the cartoonist Ashleigh Brilliant. Some of it is very good—made me laugh anyway!

The point is that it cannot be demonstrated to any one else. Of course you are free to believe whatever you like. It's not supposition; expertise or l...

I didn't say you should take my opinion, I said there is no way of knowing whether there are true gurus. If there were such a way you could demonstrat...

That's fine for everyday life, where your getting it right or not is mostly not that critical. With most scientific knowledge, it is not possible to "...

The Vedic scriptures, Buddhism and so on were all "new movements" in their day, so I don't see how they can help. Why should we accept their authority...

How does one, in their endarkenment distinguish between true and false gurus?

The first being: What I has in mind there was how in common parlance presuppositions can be referred to as being implicit, taken for granted, in quest...

I don't disagree with what you say there. I agree that it is accordance with ordinary parlance to say that causation (among other things) is presuppos...

No worries. My apologies also; I've been a bit irritable due to life circumstances.

Tim and T Clark have been derailing the OP by arguing about that very point. I have been arguing against their objections. This thread was never desig...

OK.

I can't be responsible for your lack of insight.

There also may be many implicit beliefs that are not expressed in statements.

I own the book and have read it before. Your comment is superfluous.

I'd agree that things may be provisionally assumed for the sake of inquiry. As I said before such an assumption would count as a belief, but not all b...

As I see it some words signify things like trees, cars, people and son on, and other words signify cognitively basic ideas, for example and signifies ...

We both access it and construct it, albeit not consciously. Much happens prior to experience if experience is taken to denote conscious awareness; we ...

But then God must be "outside your mentation" unless he dies when you die. If you are not a solipsist, then you accept that others are also outside yo...

I'd agree that in a certain way language is "made up stuff". We might think that in the genesis of language the sounds chosen to signify things are ar...

I'm not aware of that, but I'm open to the possibility; can you provide an example? (I have to go to work pretty much immediately so I probably won't ...

It's a long time since I've read the work, and Tim did present those as absolute presuppositions and I assumed that he was following Collingwood in do...

The book is on my shelf, I've had it for years, I've read the book and understood it, so your claim is erroneous. I haven't claimed that so-called abs...

But whether they are true or not is not what I have been arguing about. If there can be presuppositions which are "not true", then since presuppositio...

So, it follows that the nobodies you refer to are not "outside your mentation"?

BTW, it's a shame your OP has been somewhat derailed by all the pedantry. I agree with you on your distinction between beliefs that are truly believed...

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Not too sure if you are meaning to agree or disagree here...

Not according to ordinary usage, and what better determines the meaning of terms? Dictionaries are good to consult because the business of lexicograph...

I have said that presuppositions don't have to be believed by anyone just as beliefs don't. But if it be said that someone holds a presupposition is t...

I disagree; there is an inherent logic in natural language which is formalized as propositional logic. Of course no one needs to have an explicit unde...

Is the area infinitely large or merely infinite in the sense of 'unbounded'?

As I understand it propositional logic is only intelligible insofar as it is translated into some natural language or other. '?' means 'there exists',...

That may be arguable but it's irrelevant. Propositions don't have to be propounded, anymore than beliefs have to be believed or presuppositions have t...

As I said to T Clark I know that absolute presuppositions are understood by Collingwood to be beyond truth and falsity, and I am not convinced by that...

I don't know if this is meant to be in answer to my response to you. The passage you quoted presents what Vogt takes Plato to have believed, but I don...

See above; I was preempting your objection as you made it.

OK, then why don't you explain exactly how substituting the word 'belief' for the word 'presupposition' misrepresents Collingwood. All you have said s...

You should not presume to know that Collingwood would have rejected the use of the term belief as a synonym for presupposition. It just doesn't happen...

If suppositions or presuppositions are beliefs, which in accordance with ordinary parlance they indeed are, then absolute presuppositions are absolute...

This, that the mind knows the forms immediately through intellectual intuition, is itself an "absolute presupposition" or in other words a foundationa...

How could it make sense to deny that suppositions are beliefs?