No, I don't think so. If I'm right in the logic put forth, in at least any universe we can imagine, 'existence should be' is the necessary base answer...
Everything comes from an undesigned universe that evolves 'debatably' deterministically. I don't want to sidetrack too much, but if an undesigned univ...
Right, this is the logic. Morality is what should be. If there is an objective morality, then we boil every moral question down to what should be impl...
Does a red wavelength of light have intent behind it? No. Is a red wavelength an objective entity? Yes. My intent is to find a morality that exists li...
Normally I would agree with you. It is an exception here because we're talking about a rational limit to causality. If I'm wrong, point out where in t...
No contradiction. Let me see if this helps. U1 = A -> B -> C U2 = infinite regress -> C What caused U? In both cases the answer is, "Nothing". There i...
If I feel them in space, aren't they in that space? When I prick my finger, I feel the pain locally to the wound, not in my foot. Its not some other d...
My point is that noting the natural world is 'arbitrary' doesn't make any point. We both agree that the universe is uncaused, meaning we cannot look o...
We're in complete agreement here. You declared it to be false, but your admittance that its 'the strongest mutual feeling we have' means its true. You...
You may be interested in reading this then. There's a summary the next post down to help. https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/14044/knowledge-an...
Correct, which is why I just used the term matter and instead of "Matter and energy". They're the same thing. Just giving a concrete to the abstract o...
But you feel them in space. You feel them in a place. You might experience red, but that's due to the red wavelength of light being interpreted by you...
No, the uncaused thing would be the limit inside of that totality. There would still be the scope of, "What caused there to be an infinite series of s...
Certainly, that's the focus of the OP. I believe goodness is the physical property of continued existence. Let me see if I can explain. Its amazing th...
No, that's just a subjective experience. Let me use another example I gave another reader. You and I have a subjective experience of seeing red. But t...
Either we're really not on the same page anymore, or you're purposefully avoiding the point. Emotions are not the same as reasons. Having an emotion, ...
A feeling and a reason are two different products of the mind. A feeling is an impetus or summary that compels a person to action. A reason is the res...
Because if there is no logic reason, there is nothing besides whim. That is, (minus the infinite regress) essentially what the OP proves. Therefore we...
Sure. There are a few things that make me think there is an objective morality. 1. We are not magical creatures. We are made of the atoms of this Eart...
I'm going to follow that up with, "Why do you need a God to exist for there to be an objective morality?" I see an objective morality as a rule of exi...
The OP does not argue for, nor need a God to argue for an objective morality. No, I'm not. What I'm trying to find is a base for an objective morality...
Sorry, missed this reply initially. Isn't it though? When I feel a pain in my arm, isn't it there? When I feel happy, doesn't it spread through my bod...
I think this misses a gap between 'acting on knowledge' and 'result'. Lets say that I know that if I donate to a charity that the money will be spent ...
You might be giving Berkeley a little more credit here than he deserves. "When Berkeley (1685-1753) was questioned as to how objects could continue to...
Yes, that's what I intended to convey. First, I'm not using the phrase, "The totality of what exists" in the argument. I'm saying the entire scope of ...
My reference to philosophy and scientific separation are meant to be layman here. As for our discussion, if you wish to define philosophy in this part...
Correct. This would be science or discovery of new facts. But there is no philosophical discovery at that point. There would be the discovery of wheth...
What is a right action except an action that should be? I'm faced with making two actions, one wrong, and one right. One action is what should be, whi...
We're close. The point I'm making is the philosophical ontological argument is now complete. The only logical conclusion is that the entirety of exist...
Ontology would be, "Why is there existence?" Morality is "Should there be existence?" Ask the same question to a truck driver who knows nothing of how...
This is a fair question and let me see if I can show you what I mean. Morality has to do with actions that we should, or should not commit towards oth...
Yes. The result means that it is philosophically impossible to conclude that any of these ideas are necessarily existent or impossible. The discussion...
That's not what I asked MoK. I've tried twice, lets just let it drop then. :) That's fine, we can conclude good and evil are synonyms with right and w...
Ok MoK, I've been trying to get you to think a little deeper about your statements, but I think you're stuck on statements and firm beliefs that just ...
Its one of many possibilities, but not a necessity. Just as something can exist without prior cause, so can it eventually end and another thing later ...
That's fair, here's a nice little paper to get an idea of what I'm noting. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8710723/ Also I am not saying thes...
That's avoiding the question MoK. Liking something is a feature of our experiences. Is feeling that something is good exactly the same as liking it, o...
If good is just a feeling, why should the majority of the human population matter? If a minority feel a certain way and can act on it, who cares? Why ...
How exactly am I equivocating in the argument? I don't see it from my viewpoint, and I can't see it from your viewpoint unless you point out where I'm...
We agree then. And what is 'feeling good"? Is it just an expression of "I like the rose"? Or is it different? Good is what should be. Rightness is the...
I can definitely deny it. :) Especially if its subjective. It only can't be denied if its objectively true. A group decision results in what action oc...
Thanks for visiting Bob! I know you'll give it a proper critique. Correct. They all argue for it, but have never rationally settled it. I argue for it...
Then increase the scope to that. The specific intention of the people to build the factory was to build widgets. The point still stands. By asking the...
Please indicate the part of the OP where you thought, "This is where cosmology and physics needs to be mentioned, even though the author never does." ...
Bob I know that the art of any good discussion is the art of thinking, and it is difficult for a good thinking session to be perfectly organized. I to...
It is because the argument does not require cosmology or physics. They are irrelevant to its point. It seems like my point and yours coincide. Yes, me...
While the subjective methods of disciplining children may vary, are there common core reasons underneath it based on that culture? Disciplining childr...
Right, but there is an underlying objective reality which is being observed to make this subjective experience. Just like a wavelength of light isn't ...
Good questions. Why I think there is a moral objectivity is based on patterns of discovery. Throughout history humanity has had states of being that w...
No, that's not what I stated. I noted that cause can be in terms of composition, time, and scope. It is only after establishing what cause is, that I ...
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